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I'm scheduled to move into a new house next month that I had built and is almost complete. It has a large family room where my piano will be situated, with an open floor plan that overlooks a separate kitchen with nook and formal dining room. The flooring is all tiled (except for bedrooms), with each tile being 18" in a diagonal pattern, which is beautiful. Needless to say, I want to showcase my piano and the tile flooring, but I'll still need some type of rug or carpeting for underneath the piano for acoustic reasons. I'm leaning towards an oval pattern. Should I put padding under the rug/carpet? Also, I'd appreciate feedback on those round flat cups (not sure of their proper name) that the piano's casters sit in. Are they effective in better spreading the load? I've been told not to worry about cracking the tiles but I still want to take every possible precaution. I'd appreciate input from fellow posters.
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I put in new Brazilian wood floors recently and I placed my L190 on acrylic caster cups. This worked out nicely.

If you find a rug, let me know, I'm looking as well.

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We, too, have the caster cups on a hardwood floor. They were recommended and have worked out great.


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My piano sits directly on tile. There have been no problems. I don't think you need them, but they certainly won't hurt anything. They might even make it feel a bit more stable.


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Check these guys out: Heritage Unlimited

They're on the level and I've gotten some nice rugs from them at reasonable prices. A good quality wool rug will outlast any synthetic.


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For acoustic softening, it does help to have a foam underlayment for your carpet. However, once in place on a carpeted floor, moving the piano will place more stress on the legs. So, if you need to move it, get help so that the piano is 'lifted' just a little bit--- not all the way in the air, just enough to let it skate easily.


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My piano room has polished concrete floors. It's relatively small and very live. I put an 8x11 rectangular semi-shag carpet under my piano, with a foam underlay beneath that. It helped reduce the noise somewhat, but mainly it improved clarity. Before, the sound was washing itself out too much, and it was too "shatter-y", for want of a better term.

I'm not an acoustics expert, but I'd recommend a rug that's somewhat shaggy and well-textured, and a little denser or thicker, as I believe this helps reduce a wider range of frequencies. I worried that a smooth or thin rug might cut down certain frequencies while leaving others unaffected, which would distort the overall sound of the piano.

Caster cups are great, and lessen the chances that you'll have permanent dents in your carpet.


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Originally Posted by -Frycek
Check these guys out: Heritage Unlimited

They're on the level and I've gotten some nice rugs from them at reasonable prices. A good quality wool rug will outlast any synthetic.


I think we may have ordered from them before. They have a great selection of the longer hall runners.








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For acoustics, you will need to consider the surface of the walls and ceiling as well as the size and shape of the room.

It may be best to wait and listen before getting a rug.


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Wow, thanks everyone for such helpful feedback!
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Grands usually sound better when they project at an angle down the long axis of a room. This also prevents the formation of standing waves - when sound being projected collides with sound being reflected.

There are two ways to approach reducing loudness, voicing the piano and voicing the room. Voicing the piano usually means voicing the hammers. Voicing is its own skill; not all techs have it. If you like your piano's tone, I'd suggest reducing volume by voicing the piano only as a last resort.

For voicing the room, the operative words are soft and irregular. So area rugs, wall hangings, cloth furniture, bookcases with books in them. What you're trying to do is to break up and absorb sound.

Devices such as acoustic caster cups, acoustic foam, and bass traps might be thought of as including elements of piano and room voicing. Supply sells Piattino cups here. Acoustic foam, such as that sold by Edwards String Covers in their Sound Reduction Kits, will not change your piano's tone if you have it fitted between the beams, under the soundboard. The foam could be obtained and cut by your tech. Some foam attenuates the treble more than the bass. I don't know if this is true for the foam sold by Edwards. If the bass register needs more attenuation, bass traps, such as those by Auralex Acoustics, will do that. The traps are usually most effective when mounted in corners. (Foam and traps are both used by recording studios. You or your tech should be able to locate them in your area.)

Your situation, including your aesthetic preferences, will determine which options are best for you.

If your piano should initially sound unbearably loud, just get yourself a set of musicians ear plugs, so that you can continue to play while you're deciding which options you want to pursue. Hearos plugs have been favorably reviewed, as have the much more expensive ones from Etymotic Research.



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Great suggestions! Thanks so much for your valuable input. After I move in, I'll need to both play, as well sample the sound with someone else playing, to determine the acoustics of the room. It will probably take some time to optimize, but it will be a good experience.
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