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Hello everyone.

It's been a little over a month since I have received my Steingraeber 138. I absolutely LOVE it. I just wondered if there is any rule of thumb for the distance from the wall my upright should be placed for optimal sound?

Thanks in advance for any info.given.


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Depending on other factors in the room, the acoustic ideal is likely between 5" - 12" from the wall. It's probably good to experiment.


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It's been a little over a month since I have received my Steingraeber 138. I absolutely LOVE it. I just wondered if there is any rule of thumb for the distance from the wall my upright should be placed for optimal sound?


No.

But must be at least 3" off ground for full "floating soundboard" effect...

On second thought: take off front board and get effect of 9' concert grand...

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Depending on other factors in the room, the acoustic ideal is likely between 5" - 12" from the wall. It's probably good to experiment.
Do many people actually place a vertical 12" from a wall?

It would seem to be aesthetically strange looking(I'm assuming the back of the piano is facing the wall). OTOH I must admit I've never actually seen a vertical placed this way, so I'm using my imagination about how it would look.

Can anyone post a picture of a vertical in a home setting that is that far from the wall?

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Depending on other factors in the room, the acoustic ideal is likely between 5" - 12" from the wall. It's probably good to experiment.
Do many people actually place a vertical 12" from a wall?
Many? Of course not. If you want the best sound, you have to pull it out more than what is aesthetically pleasing. With any luck, the "magic" range will be closer to 6" than 12".

In truth, I ask most customers to allow us to place them 4" from the wall. In 95% of customers' homes, the piano is as close to the wall as the baseboard will allow.


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Pianos have caster wheels. One could wheel the piano 4"-12" away from the wall when one wishes to play it, and then push it back up against the wall when finished.

If the pianist is not strong enough to move the piano by him/herself, someone else in the household or neighborhood could help.

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My theory is to have enough room to wrap your arms about its tantalizing shape and allow enough room for enraptured dancing.

Tanzen über alles.


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I used to keep mine far enough from the wall so that when the cats lost a toy behind it they could just go get it out, instead of meowling around until I fished it out with a yardstick. The obvious acoustic advantage was quieter cats.


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Given the right room configurations, you can give the sound more places to go and still be aesthetically pleasing. My previous house had a relatively small living room with a vaulted ceiling. In one corner the wall met a staircase. I positioned the piano across the corner and put two pictures on each wall behind the piano. It looked pretty good and it sounded good.

In my current home, the upright is actually well into an open floor plan that involves the living room and dining room. The dining room is several steps above the living room and the piano is a foot or so from the dining rooms half wall. The sound can go up a high ceiling, into the living room, into the dining room, and through a couple of doors.

What is most interesting is that in both configurations I've found that I can adjust the piano's location by inches in any direction and alter the sound a little. So experimenting with the postion is good wherever you have the piano.

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Hello everyone and thanks for your replys! I originally had My Steingraeber 4 in. from the wall and it sounded marvelous.Tonight I did an experiment and placed it 5in. and then 6 in. from the wall to see if it would sound even better. I have wood floors and it seemed as though it sounded better at the 4 in. distance. I think in my home the wall helped to reflect the sound back into the room. My room is 24ft. by 35 ft.,and it feels this large room with plenty of sound. The colors and dynamic range of this big Boy are incredible!

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My theory is to have enough room to wrap your arms about its tantalizing shape and allow enough room for enraptured dancing.

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It's been a little over a month since I have received my Steingraeber 138. I absolutely LOVE it. I just wondered if there is any rule of thumb for the distance from the wall my upright should be placed for optimal sound?


No.

But must be at least 3" off ground for full "floating soundboard" effect...

On second thought: take off front board and get effect of 9' concert grand...

Enjoy!

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It's been a little over a month since I have received my Steingraeber 138. I absolutely LOVE it. I just wondered if there is any rule of thumb for the distance from the wall my upright should be placed for optimal sound?


No.

But must be at least 3" off ground for full "floating soundboard" effect...

On second thought: take off front board and get effect of 9' concert grand...

Enjoy!

Norbert grin


Very clever Norbert. LOL!


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I believe that model is called Steingraeber 138 because, ideally, it is to be placed 138 millimeters from the wall.


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I would advise the OP to experiment not only with the distance, but also the angle of the piano to the wall. I've placed my Ibach upright such that the treble end is about 100 mm (4") from the wall, but the bass end is about 150 mm (6") away. This has made the bass and tenor section clearer to hear. If one's sense of aesthetics is not overly offended by such a slightly skewed arrangement, one can achieve great acoustic results by trial and error.


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I experimented with my Schiedmayer 140 last night. As Jurgen thought, 140 mm (5.5") gave good results! The piano is normally about 100 mm from the wall, but pulling the bass end out to around 200 mm made a really discernible difference to the bass and tenor, as Mark described, and the next octave as well.

Mind you, my piano is in a very small room and yours is in a rather large one. Have you tried taking off one or both the front panels?

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Piano man 3758,

Congratulations on your new Steingraeber 138. I've heard very nice things about it, but that is one big piano! I was wondering if, during your piano search, you auditioned the Bluthner Model S, which is even bigger - 146 cm high, a full 3 inches taller! If so, what did you think of it?

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Piano man 3758,

Congratulations on your new Steingraeber 138. I've heard very nice things about it, but that is one big piano! I was wondering if, during your piano search, you auditioned the Bluthner Model S, which is even bigger - 146 cm high, a full 3 inches taller! If so, what did you think of it?


Thanks Almaviva for the congrats.Yes,it is a fantastic piano and indeed very big. My dealer that I have dealt with for 22 years,did not have a Bluthner Model S.However IMHO,I am not a big fan of Bluthners. Don't get me wrong. They are very fine pianos. I just fine that to my ears,the Steingraebers sound better.


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Originally Posted by Almaviva
Pianos have caster wheels. One could wheel the piano 4"-12" away from the wall when one wishes to play it, and then push it back up against the wall when finished.

If the pianist is not strong enough to move the piano by him/herself, someone else in the household or neighborhood could help.


Not ideal if on caster cups! The caster cups are a must if the piano is resting on wood flooring. Without the caster cups the wheels will damage/make indentation markings on the floor, and more so if wheeling it around.


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Originally Posted by Almaviva
Pianos have caster wheels. One could wheel the piano 4"-12" away from the wall when one wishes to play it, and then push it back up against the wall when finished.

If the pianist is not strong enough to move the piano by him/herself, someone else in the household or neighborhood could help.


Not ideal if on caster cups! The caster cups are a must if the piano is resting on wood flooring. Without the caster cups the wheels will damage/make indentation markings on the floor, and more so if wheeling it around.


Agreed as I have caster cups and wood flooring.


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