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Assuming all pianos check out ok with an independent technician, what would be the best buy among the following Yamaha 5'3" pianos? Are they priced fairly?

1996 C1 - $1100
1988 G1 - $9500
1984 G1 - $8500

I may be driving down to the Piano Outlet in Margate, FL to take a look and would like some opinions.

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Correction above, should be:

1996 C1 - $11000
1988 G1 - $9500
1984 G1 - $8500

If the C1 was only $1100, I think the answer would be obvious smile


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I'd let your ears and your technician make the ultimate decision. I think I'd go for the C1, personally if all the pianos are in top-notch shape.


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Condition of the instrument: Most Important!
Whether you really like the tone 'n touch: Even More than Most Important!

Otherwise, not much difference between G1/2 and C1/2--so if that is your sound, I'd like the '88 G1, but at more like $7500.

And, if I had $11K to put on the line, I'd at least give my ears and fingers a taste of some 5'8" to 6' entries from some of those "other" Asian sources, or take a few more runs around the used market, before making a decision.


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The C1 is definitely better than the G1. They were designed much better and if you listen to them you should be able to hear the difference, all things being equal. As Hammerhead mentioned, wear and tear will have to be considered though.

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The prices for the G1s look expensive, since (as far as I know) the quality is not as good as the C1, and since they are also considerably older.

If 11K$ is your limit, I would look for older but bigger instruments, like a C3 (if you absolutly want Yamaha).

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If getting the most piano (largest/best sound/value) for your money is at all important, then it is important for you to put the money into a larger older used grand. As said above, $11,000 will easily get you your choice of many larger yamaha grands. The C3 is within your range and there is simply no comparison sound wise. If you insist on spending that kind of money on a 5'3", and don't want a larger piano..I will tell you that you should put the money into a new/used tall upright. Even those will have a much bigger sound than the 5'3". I had a yamaha G1.

As long as you buy from a reputable dealer who puts warranties on these used pianos etc., you will be infinitely more happy with the larger grand. Additionally, chances are you will have a better chance at reselling near the purchase price if you go larger. Look on Ebay (just for reference) and see what people are selling C3's for. Go play some and compare it to a G1. Don't worry about buying 10-15 years old or whatever. Ultimately it's not nearly as important as the piano sounding good from day one. In that category, the larger yamaha wins over the smaller.

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11K should buy a new Samick or Young Chang in the 5'7 - 6' range as well, giving you much more piano for your money in a couple of ways - size, and it's new.

Another thing Florida residents should watch for with a used piano, in my opinion anyway - I would imagine there are quite a few insurance salvage pianos floating through the pipeline right now. Make sure your tech checks for signs of water damage.

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Thanks for all your responses. Space is definitely a limiting factor and my budget is set around $8000. I also assume these price ranges I got through an email response are their starting prices which should come down with negotiating. I plan to play each of them and yes I'll try a C3 to hear the difference. They mentioned a 5 year warranty on all used pianos, would this be considered industry standard?


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"In store warranties" are weak only because; What happens if the dealer closed his business before your five years runs out?

On the flip side the pianos you are looking at rarely have many warranty issues. Minor adjustments are expected through out the life of any piano.

How large of a piano do you think you can fin in your room?

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It's sort of a strange setup, I live in a condo where the entire bottom floor is connected, yet broken up into three sections. The room where the piano would go is roughly 8' x 11' but again is open on half of one side. I also had to consider what I could get up the narrow turning staircase leading into my place on the second floor. I built a cardboard model to scale of a 5'3" grand and walked it up the stairs with my neighbor. It fits but anything significantly bigger would be risky.


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The C1 is definitely better than the G1. They were designed much better and if you listen to them you should be able to hear the difference, all things being equal. As Hammerhead mentioned, wear and tear will have to be considered though.

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I was a Yamaha dealer when they changed from the G1 to the C1. There were no significant changes in their specs. On what do you base yor "designed much better" comment?


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Steve,did the G1 have a duplex scale?

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This is not necessarily a recommendation, but I see that nobody has mentioned the option of a new GC1 yet.

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Sir Lurksalot, that is probably the best option, but he said the target budget is $8K. A GC1 is going to be just beyond his budget.

If he can squeeze, a little the GC1 is a great little piano.

Blackratsanke, do you have a local new Yamaha dealer around you? If so try a new GC1 maybe they are having some super-fantastic sale :rolleyes: that will put a GC1 in your budget?

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Sir Lurksalot, that is probably the best option, but he said the target budget is $8K. A GC1 is going to be just beyond his budget.

If he can squeeze, a little the GC1 is a great little piano.

Blackratsanke, do you have a local new Yamaha dealer around you? If so try a new GC1 maybe they are having some super-fantastic sale :rolleyes: that will put a GC1 in your budget?
I second that if your choice really must be a small Yamaha Grand. I played one of these last week at a local dealer, and was impressed with the tone in what I was about to dismiss as a baby G not worth bothering with. Seems the GC1 may be the best of both Yamaha worlds (G vs. C). Sticker price here was 18K Can$.

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Steve,did the G1 have a duplex scale?
If I remember coorectly the G1 DID have a duplex scale.


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I do have a Yamaha dealer in town and have been there on many occasions, they have a GA1 and then a C1 and higher, nothing in between at the moment. As an interesting side note, I went to take a look at a 3 year old GP1 (I know, lowest end model for a 5'3") but when I got to the seller's house, it had already been sold after being in the paper for only a day. I was surprised to see the seller get his asking price of $8000. Does that seem a little high for that type of piano, granted it was in pristine condition on the outside anyway?

By the way I'd love a GC1 if it was in my price range.


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What good is a duplex scale, in a 5'3' piano?


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I think it adds more"color" to the sound, and I believe, yes even a piano of that size can be improved with the duplex scale.

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