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#3053885 12/07/20 02:23 AM
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Just playing around with Jazz improvisations.
In the RH I have been using notes from the pentatonic and blues scales.
Obviously varying depending on the key.
Does that sound like a good way to start?

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Just playing around with Jazz improvisations.
In the RH I have been using notes from the pentatonic and blues scales.
Obviously varying depending on the key.
Does that sound like a good way to start?

Cheers Mick
Yes, it's a good building material; but it has no form. Start with a general twelve bar blues shape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues,
which can be filled with small shapes of riffs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riff

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Or get a copy of Tim Richards' "Improvising Blues Piano", which is full of ideas.


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Thanks Nahum and Charles..just needed t o know I was playing the most appropriate notes.to start with.
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These 3 books might be of some use the fourth one I liked because it was simple but yet engaging.

https://www.amazon.com/Pentatonic-Scales-Improvisation-Ramon-Ricker-ebook/dp/B00EUSYOZU

https://www.amazon.com/Forward-Motion-Hal-Galper/dp/1883217415

https://www.amazon.com/Tons-Runs-Contemporary-Pianist-LaVerne/dp/094374895X

https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Riffs-Piano-EFS-176/dp/0825621763

Here is a Bb blues the Flute player who is leans more to playing classically than jazz did awesome considering that we made it up as we played

https://youtu.be/Rw-zh5WGs-k

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Whatever scale you use be sure to play chord tones on strong beats (1 and 3 in 4/4/ time).

This will lock in your improvised melody with the underlying harmony.

You can grow your lines from the chord tones on strong beats by using arpeggios and scale fragments with approach patterns at chord changes.

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Mick: What you don't mention is what chord progression you are using those two scales over. The blues scale is good to use over the blues form, and perhaps dominant 7th chords. The pentatonic can be used a bit more broadly, although you don't specify if you're using the major or minor pentatonic.

But the bigger point is that in jazz there are certain scales that work over certain chords. Although key signatures play a role, the focus in more on what chord are you are playing at a moment. So blues scales and pentatonics are certainly used in jazz improvisation, they must be used over the right chords.

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In jazz we play a lot of the major scale and sometime we add a chromatic note here or there, often to suit some of the chords along the way that have notes added that might be tweaked (such as b9 or #4) ... We also insert a fair dose of chromatic passing tones, bits of blues scale, pentatonic scale, chord arpeggio outlines, and enclosures, or whatever you like. We have a lot of freedom, there isn't really a rigid right and wrong, but here are characteristic ways in various jazz styles.
If you like to try playing with the major scale or the dominant scale, playing down from the 7th degree is ideal for scale outlining the chords in a most scale like melodic manner (per Barry Harris method)

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Thanks Again.. playing F major key

Chord progression FM7 GM7 Am Bflat C7..in a loop
Cheers Mick

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This is a very helpful forum..great advice.
You don't always get that.
Maybe it's just music.
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The right answer is go to the source, transcribe and get the answers first hand. That way your training your ear, your learning to hear and play the feel, and get improv idea of what scales to use and how. Then play a long with the recording (not a backing track). That's how the masters learned and it's still the best way.

Start with a simple Blues like Miles Davis - Freddie Freeloader. Even do Mile solo first before the piano you'll learn some great phrasing.


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Originally Posted by MrShed
Start with a simple Blues like Miles Davis - Freddie Freeloader. Even do Mile solo first before the piano you'll learn some great phrasing.

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Maybe if you tell us how you’re voicing your chord progression we’ll be of more help with which scales fit.

For instance are they all block chords or are leaving out the 5th in any of them? Are any of them rootless?

Do you throw in any walking bass?

You could also try some bbop 8 note scales. Locrian bbop is pretty popular.


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