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Hi TonyDIGITAL,

If you are logged in on our website, you can order the demo license without any additional help. Should work right now as well (if you have not ordered a demo license before).

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Hi Paul,
your website https://www.vsl.co.at/de/Synchron_Pianos_Bundle/Bosendorfer_280VC shows only 30-day demo available for Bluethner 1895 but not the 280VC.
Please check...
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The Bosendorfer under current demo is the upright, not the 280VC. Paul probably made an error in his previous post: the 2 demos for this week are the Bluethner and the upright. 280VC was in demo last week.

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Hi,

Totally my bad - we have now also activated the demo for the 280VC again, along with the Bösendorfer Upright and the Blüthner 1895!

Sorry about the trouble! Enjoy those pianos :-)

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I finally had a chance to try the new 280VC full version for 30 minutes. I didn't change too much settings but just sticked to the player preset.

My first impression: it plays like a grand piano version of Modern U.

Good: It has a kind of presence that no other VSL pianos have. I'm not sure how VSL achieves this but maybe the Stage B and the 280VC together makes me feel like that. I've only feel the same level of presence in Modern U. I fee like I'm just playing the piano in front of me but not listening to a recording.

Bad: The default setting is just too bright on my DP (Yamaha N3X). It doesn't remind me a Bosendorfer grand but a Yamaha C7 or C3. The control is also lacking compared to the other concert grands that VSL is offering. I saw David B played around the velocity curve and it worked for him. I'm sure I need to do something similar like him to bring out the control.

Well, my first impression is a bit mixed. So far I've tried all piano plugins that VSL provides. My preference is D-274 >= CFX >= Vienna Imperial >= Bosendorfer Imperial > 280VC > Bosendorfer Upright > Bluthner.

I'm going to play around the setting in the next a few days and see if I like it more.


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I really like all the VSL pianos I own and often for different reasons. Having the velocity curve editor and smooth attack for synchrony pianos makes a world of difference to my appreciation and enjoyment. I don't have the D-274, CFX or the Bösendorfer Upright to compare.

The poor old Vienna Imperial has been relegated from top spot which it held for sometime. It was the upgrade to the Synchron player software with the velocity curve editor and smooth attack that has changed things. I've only used it once recently and switched quickly back to one of the Synchron pianos.

The Bösendorfer Imperial (BI) has the deep powerful base, and a fantastic evenness over the whole keyboard (both across the keys and no unexpected jumps with dynamics and timbre with different veolocties), with a fantastic dynamic range. I often get a first decent recording of a piece I'm learning with the BI because of its evenness. It works well with a lot of music I think.

The VC280 has a very distinctive sound with quite a bite to it. I felt I needed to take the edge off with it somewhat which is where the velocity curve editor and smooth attack options come in. My fallback setting for it now has a slightly felty sound to it, while still having a bite to it. I also occasionally use a configuration with it based on the ambience and I think this works well compared to other piano because the bite of the sound it provides still manages to punch through the ambience when needed and stops it being too muddy.

But, right now I'm finding it hard to pull myself away from the Blüthner. It really is lovely. I'm so glad I did not buy before the update the synchron player software, because like the VC280 it really needs the velocity curve editor to keep it under control. It has its own distinctive sound, so very different to the VC280. Lyrical I think describes it well.

I'm not sure I want to say I prefer one over the other, I like the Synchron pianos I have for different reasons and am glad I can pick and choose which to use, depending on how I'm feeling and what I'm playing.

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I'm still quite interested in the 280VC, but the storage for all these libraries are so large, that I can't get the standard Steinway and the other libraries to coexist together. I guess if VSL could do some lossless format compression, that would be really wonderful! Still, love listening to others play on Youtube using the 280VC. smile

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Kevin, I agree with you.

The Vienna Imperial is a special piano. I want to put that to my favorite VST but it doesn’t have half pedaling. The dynamic range is huge and the sound quality is just so nice. I also like the room that they record the Vienna Imperial.

My preference is also not fair because I didn’t spend enough time tweaking each VSL piano. So far the three VSL pianos that play good out of the box are Vienna Imperial, Bosendorfer Imperial and CFX. The D-274, 280VC, Bluthner and Upright all need velocity curve change. It’s said that we users need to spend so much time to bring out those characteristics but with the new Synchron software nothing is impossible. I’m sure I’ll love the Bluthner after the velocity curve change. It’s so time consuming to do that though.


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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Kevin, I agree with you.
My preference is also not fair because I didn’t spend enough time tweaking each VSL piano. So far the three VSL pianos that play good out of the box are Vienna Imperial, Bosendorfer Imperial and CFX. The D-274, 280VC, Bluthner and Upright all need velocity curve change. It’s said that we users need to spend so much time to bring out those characteristics but with the new Synchron software nothing is impossible. I’m sure I’ll love the Bluthner after the velocity curve change. It’s so time consuming to do that though.

I did the work for the 280VC and I copied the velocity curve I used for it over to the Blüthner. I hardly touch the settings now, when I want to play a piece, I select the preset I like for the piano I want to use. So, yes I did work early on but now I'm just playing. With the Blüthner and Bösendorfer Imperial I only have one preset I use, from the VC280 I have two, the second has a lot of reverb because very occasionally that is what I want.

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280VC Buzz



God bless,
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Originally Posted by David B
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Hmm, that's interesting. I did hear some humming, which sounds like it's doing an E4 pitch, which is about the 3rd note in the harmonic series. Strange!!! smile

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I bought 280VC when it came out and I had similar issues but found it more on (if I remember correctly) F#6 and A#6 but not sure… it’s somewhere in this thread is the other thread that was started when this VST released. It was to much for me to bear because I used those keys for trills a lot and I returned the VST just for this reason.

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David, would you post this in the VSL forum? They might fix this issue as it sounds so obvious. Meanwhile you can try reducing the release volume.


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Originally Posted by David Lai
Hmm, that's interesting. I did hear some humming, which sounds like it's doing an E4 pitch, which is about the 3rd note in the harmonic series. Strange!!! smile

Hi David,

I really appreciate your fine-tuned ear. You hear things I suspect most people don't. That probably contributes to your superb musicianship as well.

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
David, would you post this in the VSL forum? They might fix this issue as it sounds so obvious. Meanwhile you can try reducing the release volume.

I only posted it here so far. Paul from VSL has been active in this thread. If he doesn't chime in I'll post it on the VSL website also. I suspect he'll say it part natural voice of the 280VC, but I hope it's something that can be eliminated with a software/sample update.

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Ears are quite different amongst people apparently.

I feel i'm usually quite sensitive to things like this, adjusting notes here and there etc. But, in this case I can't seem to find anything wrong or disturbing. I checked with the standard and full mics and 2 different high quality headphones.

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Because I have Timbre Shift of -1 set when I did this recording, it happens on the notes immediately to the left of the ones David refers to. But you can clearly hear the issue where the sound is held by the pedal at 14 seconds and again at 29 seconds. https://vimeo.com/524807197

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I was proud of my hearing abilities, but I have to reconsider that notion since I am unable to hear anything strange in that note on David's video (or Kevin's). No buzz, no humming... Must defer to more experienced people and get my ears thoroughly cleaned...

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I don't think you need to worry vagfilm. It is often harder to hear something in a recording than you can hear live. With my recording I know what I am listening out for.

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@Paul Kopf: thank to your & your team's support I now could get hold of the 280VC demo.
I like the sound and the player is very easy to handle.
It's very much appreciated that we customers can enjoy such demos for 30 days before purchase.
Also that we don't need to download the licensed version anew after using the demo is a great point. This makes it much easier to decide buying your VSTs.
Now I'm looking forward to try the other Synchron pianios as well...


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