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Originally Posted by propianist
...after you purchase it for yourself, and actually try to switch ON the Sympathetic Resonance (because it is always OFF by default) then you discover that this vital feature does not work properly, and sounds utter, utter, utter, utter rubbish!!!! You simply cannot get anywhere near realistic Sympathetic Resonance effect from this piano software. It is an unusable sonic mess. So it has to be played without.

Did you update your synchron piano's player with today's update?

I don't have an opinion yet on this sympathetic resonance feature as I didn't experiment with it, but vsl did work on it with this newest update. I would like to hear if you think it is better now, or not.

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Without attempting to step on any toes, I maintain that with these kind(s) of mammoth libraries one is paying by the pound (sample size). Yes, it plays with the psyche and ego knowing that there are thousands of samples waiting to be triggered from your huge SSD at moments notice, and it makes us forget about how much money we just spent on that there huge library (never mind the expense on a powerful-enough computer).

So, they get bigger and bigger, but are they getting any smarter? No! If they were, they would’ve been implementing some serious modeling (at least for the resonances).

But it seems like people are always lining up for these overindulging experiences in the same they still line up for a Star Wars sequel. The original might’ve been nice but the sequels rely more and more on over-the-top, bombastic, big bang, predictable, non-resonant ending.

Pianoteq is indeed better, and if Mac has a right to speak his mind about Pianoteq, so do I! wink

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Originally Posted by Ubu
If that's the real sound you get when you simply install it and play it, it is really good.

I would like to know wether has been any kind of editing or external processing of the sound in those demos. I've seen many people complaining that vsts sound amazing on YouTube videos, but then in real life it is different (on any brand, not specifically this one).

That question is easily answered if you purchase it. VSL has a return window. If you don't like it, get a refund.

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....I forgot, what is it with the “awe” about the demos? Have you ever heard a demo of a sampled piano that didn’t sound great? Do you really think this is how it’ll sound in real life? No!

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Pianoteq is indeed better, and if Mac has a right to speak his mind about Pianoteq, so do I!

Blasphemy!

(but i will try the version 7 trial when my headphones get delivered, never really liked pianoteq so far.)

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Originally Posted by Pete14
....I forgot, what is it with “awe” about the demos? Have you ever heard a demo of a sampled piano that didn’t sound great? Do you really think this is how it’ll sound in real life? No!

I own every VSL offering and they all sound like the demos. There is no trickery going on. If you don't like it, get a refund.

Why all the VSL bashing?

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Originally Posted by Martin Geyer
I had a lot of delay using velpro. There is in Logic pro a midi effect called velocity processor for those who didn’t know. This is built in, has no delay and it does basically what a velocity curve does.

I haven't noticed lag being an issue, but maybe it has to do with processing power? In any event, if Logic Pro is the superior product, that's great!


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Like all other VSL Synchron pianos, this sounds nice at first glance when you watch their YouTube demo...

.................BUT..........................

...after you purchase it for yourself, and actually try to switch ON the Sympathetic Resonance (because it is always OFF by default) then you discover that this vital feature does not work properly, and sounds utter, utter, utter, utter rubbish!!!! You simply cannot get anywhere near realistic Sympathetic Resonance effect from this piano software. It is an unusable sonic mess. So it has to be played without.

Then you go back, and carefully study every official VSL demo YouTube video you can find, looking very closely at their settings, and it finally dawns on you, there is a very strong reason why VSL always have Sympathetic Resonance set to "minus infinity dB" (= Off) in every single one of their official product videos! Go and watch for yourself if you don't believe me.

It just doesn't work properly. You have been warned.

In my opinion, when sympathetic resonance is applied to high quality samples, it adds a somewhat weird effect, and is completely unnecessary. I don't really like using reverb in Synchron pianos either because the room mics sound so good. I'm glad that these features are there for those who want them, and if I was to use them, I'd probably use them subtly instead of cranking them to high levels.

I would also defend the demos on the Synchron website as being extremely fair representations of the final product. I mean, when the majority of their demos are literally using their presets, it's hard to complain. wink


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....I forgot, what is it with the “awe” about the demos? Have you ever heard a demo of a sampled piano that didn’t sound great? Do you really think this is how it’ll sound in real life? No!

While that's true in many cases, I don't think that is true with VSL. There are only two potentially "hidden" factors that would prevent you from simulating the sound on the demos:
(1) The quality of your midi controller and having a velocity curve that captures the full dynamic range (I've already mentioned in another post that I think VSL would benefit from adding a custom velocity curve feature).
(2) The quality of your headphones/speaker at your piano.

But to keep us on topic to the original post... I'm really tempted by this offering. I only own the VSL Imperial so far, so I think if I was to get a second one, I'd want to get the CFX or Steinway just to get the maximum difference in sound. If I didn't own the Imperial already, it would be a hard decision between these two.

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....I forgot, what is it with “awe” about the demos? Have you ever heard a demo of a sampled piano that didn’t sound great? Do you really think this is how it’ll sound in real life? No!

I own every VSL offering and they all sound like the demos. There is no trickery going on. If you don't like it, get a refund.

Why all the VSL bashing?

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David

Well, then I demand a refund! (Oh wait, I have to buy it first).


I apologize -a little- about the “bashing”; it’s now become an instant/unconscious trigger. It’s so ingrained in me, this disdain, that my hands freeze if/when I try writing something nice about samples.

But I will take your word on the ‘lack of trickery’ and shut my pie-hole (for now).

No need for further insults directed at Pete, he has agreed to stand down and let the samplers enjoy their little celebration.

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Originally Posted by Ubu
If that's the real sound you get when you simply install it and play it, it is really good.

I would like to know wether has been any kind of editing or external processing of the sound in those demos. I've seen many people complaining that vsts sound amazing on YouTube videos, but then in real life it is different (on any brand, not specifically this one).

I don`t think there is any problem between sound of demos and home at least in my house. Because listening while playing and only listening are two different things I often use some midi file just to listen and I have not found any noticeable difference. On the other hand sound of VSL pianos are more concert oriented and if you like that they are perfect.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
No need for further insults directed at Pete, he has agreed to stand down and let the samplers enjoy their little celebration.

I wish I could enjoy it. I'll be a bit closer to celebrating with the rest of the samplers if Martin buys my VSL Steinway D, smile

Come on Martin, you know you want it. smile

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Originally Posted by Tozen
But to keep us on topic to the original post... I'm really tempted by this offering. I only own the VSL Imperial so far, so I think if I was to get a second one, I'd want to get the CFX or Steinway just to get the maximum difference in sound. If I didn't own the Imperial already, it would be a hard decision between these two.

Half price on the CFX or Steinway if you want it. Let me know via PM.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
No need for further insults directed at Pete, he has agreed to stand down and let the samplers enjoy their little celebration.

I wish I could enjoy it. I'll be a bit closer to celebrating with the rest of the samplers if Martin buys my VSL Steinway D, smile

Come on Martin, you know you want it. smile

God Bless,
David

Haha. I love it. Maybe plan B is to save up over the year and wait for Black Friday?


EDIT: Normally, I would be really tempted by the offer and I wish I could help. I'm between jobs right now and have to play it safe until the next job comes around. wink Good luck though!

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I told i’ll buy it already 40 m ago! Go to the chat

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Originally Posted by David B
Why all the VSL bashing?

+1. There is no need for VSL bashing. It is one of the few (if not the only) company where you can get a refund if you do not like the VST.

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Originally Posted by David B
Originally Posted by Pete14
No need for further insults directed at Pete, he has agreed to stand down and let the samplers enjoy their little celebration.

I wish I could enjoy it. I'll be a bit closer to celebrating with the rest of the samplers if Martin buys my VSL Steinway D, smile

Come on Martin, you know you want it. smile

God Bless,
David

Yeah Martin, come on, just imagine, with every note play by David your face will be in front of him instead of music book wink Don`t be mad at me David for this, I am on your side smile

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If that's the real sound you get when you simply install it and play it, it is really good.

I would like to know wether has been any kind of editing or external processing of the sound in those demos. I've seen many people complaining that vsts sound amazing on YouTube videos, but then in real life it is different (on any brand, not specifically this one).

That question is easily answered if you purchase it. VSL has a return window. If you don't like it, get a refund.

God Bless,
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Can i get a refund on your answer?

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I can't go over the idea of using a dongle frown At least on a laptop.

However I have a 2012 Mac Mini 2.4 GHz with a SSD and 16GB RAM that runs Garritan CFX full perfectly. It stays unused. Wondering if it will run any of the VSL libraries. Am I correct that one can demo and get a refund if it doesn't work to doesn't like it? I'll have to purchase the dongle too, not sure if it can be returned though. Never understood the fascination with dongles.


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I can't go over the idea of using a dongle frown At least on a laptop.

However I have a 2012 Mac Mini 2.4 GHz with a SSD and 16GB RAM that runs Garritan CFX full perfectly. It stays unused. Wondering if it will run any of the VSL libraries. Am I correct that one can demo and get a refund if it doesn't work to doesn't like it? I'll have to purchase the dongle too, not sure if it can be returned though. Never understood the fascination with dongles.

I have Windows laptop i5 with 8gb ram from 2013 and 2014 with ssd and no, VSL pianos are not for them, one mic at the best. Maybe software for Macs are better optimized.

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I can't go over the idea of using a dongle frown At least on a laptop.

However I have a 2012 Mac Mini 2.4 GHz with a SSD and 16GB RAM that runs Garritan CFX full perfectly. It stays unused. Wondering if it will run any of the VSL libraries. Am I correct that one can demo and get a refund if it doesn't work to doesn't like it? I'll have to purchase the dongle too, not sure if it can be returned though. Never understood the fascination with dongles.

When I started using the Bosendorfer Imperial, I was using a 2013 macbook pro with 8GB ram and a 1TB Samsung solid state drive. The solid state drive makes a huge difference, but even with it, I would get occasional cracking if I use more than two mics. Because you have more ram than me, you might be able to get away with more. But to answer your question, no, I don't think you could make maximum use of the library with your current setup. The good news is that I find even with 2-3 mics the sound quality is excellent, especially for playing over external speakers where having a big "room" presence feels weird. Then, when you get better equipment down the road, you can unleash the full potential of the library, which would be fun!

The dongle is annoying, but is an unfortunate necessity in this world because piracy. There aren't many safer options for protecting a product than the dongle. If you have problems with USB ports on your laptop, a cheap splitter like this can help, although I wouldn't recommend also running your solid state drive through the splitter.

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Come on VSL why do you make it so hard to transfer licenses? You basically only allow friends and people who live nearby and know each other to exchange the licenses. I guess I'm not getting the steinway for half the price...

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