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OK, as long as nobody says "Mac gets the Pianoteq".  Since I got it right first, I get the Steinway.
clothearednicompo gets the Medeli. Now would I do such a thing 
All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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It sounds too clean and level to be acoustic. Acoustic is muddy with any amount of pedal.
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It sounds too clean and level to be acoustic. Acoustic is muddy with any amount of pedal. Well, there was absolutely no pedal used in this one, but I get what you're saying.
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Indeed it is a DP, and thank you for sharing your observations and thought process :-)
This was recorded on an RD-2000. A global reverb and delay added. You shouldn't have added the delay - that was an immediate giveaway.
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I can tell 100% in any recording if it's a DP or AP, no exceptions. Okay, prove it. Here's 30 seconds of 16 bit 44.1kHz stereo wav audio. Which is this then? Digital or acoustic? piano 1.wavAnd what about this? Digital or acoustic? piano 2.wavRemember, might be a deliberate trick question! Maybe both are acoustic... Maybe both are digital... Maybe a digital piano was being performed live out loud in a room, recorded acoustically through the air via a microphone setup (not direct line output)... Maybe acoustic piano was recorded live in quiet studio and tracks were carefully edited / cleaned up of extraneous noises in post production so it sounds super-clean like a digital piano, which could also confuse you. Can you honestly tell 100% just from listening for realistic quality of piano tone / timbre alone? I think beyond 50/50 guesswork, you require certain other given conditions to remain consistently the same for every case so you can actually discriminate any differences reliably. Once those frames of reference are deliberately moved, your previous sonic expectations can be fooled.
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Those are good sound snippets for the challenge. 👍
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I can tell 100% in any recording if it's a DP or AP, no exceptions. Okay, prove it. Here's 30 seconds of 16 bit 44.1kHz stereo wav audio. Which is this then? Digital or acoustic? piano 1.wavAnd what about this? Digital or acoustic? piano 2.wavRemember, might be a deliberate trick question! Maybe both are acoustic... Maybe both are digital... Maybe a digital piano was being performed live out loud in a room, recorded acoustically through the air via a microphone setup (not direct line output)... Maybe acoustic piano was recorded live in quiet studio and tracks were carefully edited / cleaned up of extraneous noises in post production so it sounds super-clean like a digital piano, which could also confuse you. Can you honestly tell 100% just from listening for realistic quality of piano tone / timbre alone? I think beyond 50/50 guesswork, you require certain other given conditions to remain consistently the same for every case so you can actually discriminate any differences reliably. Once those frames of reference are deliberately moved, your previous sonic expectations can be fooled. They both sound acoustic to me, with the first one having less room sound/different mic position. That's because they sound a bit detuned. I do think that with a lot of work, one could achieve this kind of sound with a digital post-production, but you don't mention doing any of that.
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I don't know if they are acoustic, but I'm pretty sure they both are NOT from an internal digital piano engine from Roland, Kawai or Yamaha.
The first recording looks more like an old upright piano sound.
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I also thought that 1 is upright and 2 is grand but beyond that...no idea. Either one could be real or VST.
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HERE WE GO AGAIN - Round #1128
If someone posted an audio recording of their playing, would you be able to tell if the instrument was a digital or acoustic?
- What are the things that give it away?
- Would it make a difference if the DP audio was recorded by (ambient/close mics) vs. (onboard recording) vs. (computer recording)?
- Would it matter to you?
In photography, it's pretty easy to identify a film photograph (even if it was digitally printed) vs. a digital photograph? In some cases, it might require a closer look, but it's easy to tell.
That easy with recorded piano audio? Your piano never sounds the same twice. The notes you play always sound different.
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In 2009 a Roland V piano demo was already capable of fooling you, the problem is when you play live. No dp can fool you live.
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#1 sounds like an acoustic, poorly mic'd.
#2 is very clean, so I think it's a line out recording of a digital piano (or maybe a VST).
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Sounded like the same DP with different settings
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I can tell 100% in any recording if it's a DP or AP, no exceptions. Okay, prove it. Here's 30 seconds of 16 bit 44.1kHz stereo wav audio. Which is this then? Digital or acoustic? piano 1.wavAnd what about this? Digital or acoustic? piano 2.wavRemember, might be a deliberate trick question! Maybe both are acoustic... Maybe both are digital... Maybe a digital piano was being performed live out loud in a room, recorded acoustically through the air via a microphone setup (not direct line output)... Maybe acoustic piano was recorded live in quiet studio and tracks were carefully edited / cleaned up of extraneous noises in post production so it sounds super-clean like a digital piano, which could also confuse you. Can you honestly tell 100% just from listening for realistic quality of piano tone / timbre alone? I think beyond 50/50 guesswork, you require certain other given conditions to remain consistently the same for every case so you can actually discriminate any differences reliably. Once those frames of reference are deliberately moved, your previous sonic expectations can be fooled. 1 acoustic 2 digital
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I can tell 100% in any recording if it's a DP or AP, no exceptions. Okay, prove it. Here's 30 seconds of 16 bit 44.1kHz stereo wav audio. Which is this then? Digital or acoustic? piano 1.wavAnd what about this? Digital or acoustic? piano 2.wavRemember, might be a deliberate trick question! Maybe both are acoustic... Maybe both are digital... Maybe a digital piano was being performed live out loud in a room, recorded acoustically through the air via a microphone setup (not direct line output)... Maybe acoustic piano was recorded live in quiet studio and tracks were carefully edited / cleaned up of extraneous noises in post production so it sounds super-clean like a digital piano, which could also confuse you. Can you honestly tell 100% just from listening for realistic quality of piano tone / timbre alone? I think beyond 50/50 guesswork, you require certain other given conditions to remain consistently the same for every case so you can actually discriminate any differences reliably. Once those frames of reference are deliberately moved, your previous sonic expectations can be fooled. Both have been performed on the same upright. A crappy one. Most likely made in North Amercia. If it was in the middle east I'd say made in Russia.
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@propianist: Okay, it has been two days. Where's the revelation?
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We are still missing the answer from mwf.
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Me on YouTubeCasio PX-5S. Garritan CFX, Production Grand 2 Gold, Concert Grand LE, AcousticSamples C7, some Sampletekks. Pianoteq 8 Std (Blüthner, SteinGraeber, NY/HB Steinway D).
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@propianist: Okay, it has been two days. Where's the revelation? MacMacMac, you'll just have to WaitWaitWait...! mwf is the person whose very bold claim initiated this challenge to prove otherwise, so we'll give him plenty of due time to recite whatever "eenie meenie miney mo" guessing routine he uses to derive his answer. The world awaits with baited breath...
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mwf has a 50% of randomly guessing the first recording. And he likewise has a 50% of guessing the second recording. This gives him a 25% of guessing both correctly ... without even listening. If that happens, does that prove his bold claim? I say no. By the way, didn't I make a similar (but less bold) claim earlier? Pianoteq aside ... it's usually easy to tell the difference, especially when using comparing an acoustic with the native sound of a digital piano.
It's often more difficult to distinguish a good VST from an acoustic. But not always difficult ... because some VSTs don't measure up.
OTOH, when listening live there's no comparison. I did listen ... but I don't think that changes things. If I get both right, that still doesn't prove anything. 
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