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Originally Posted by HZPiano
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It should work.

Sounds like you're into experimenting, and are after a 'realistic' experience similar to what @Bruce In Philly and me are after.

If you're even introducing panels, that'd approach somewhat the anatomy of an upright piano. And makes me think of using exciters behind those panels. That'd be a different level of experimenting though that would easily turn out to be a huge time and energy gobbler.

Oh well...

Cheers and happy piano emulations,

HZ

I thought I'd responded to this, but probably forgot to post the thing.

Exciters on a panel, whilst producing a non-centred source of sound, don't work as piano strings do. The exciters would have to be at a distance (trial and error like a piano, or a guitar/violin,) from the panel in order to vibrate it in the same way. They'd have to be free to move, with unrestricted back or front which would or could create an artificial or boxed in effect.
However, the sound of the digital through a speaker equates to the sum total sound of the acoustic, including sound-board resonance delays, bloom, what-have-you. It would be impossible in most cases to separate these out.


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Hello,

Originally Posted by peterws
Exciters on a panel, whilst producing a non-centred source of sound, don't work as piano strings do. The exciters would have to be at a distance (trial and error like a piano, or a guitar/violin,) from the panel in order to vibrate it in the same way. They'd have to be free to move, with unrestricted back or front which would or could create an artificial or boxed in effect.
However, the sound of the digital through a speaker equates to the sum total sound of the acoustic, including sound-board resonance delays, bloom, what-have-you. It would be impossible in most cases to separate these out.

I had to read this a few times before getting it--now that I do (I think), I see that you probably mean the same thing that I have pondered for quite a bit:

- You'd need a decent enough soundboard;
- You'd need exciters in multiple places, possibly following the line where a bridge would be;
- You'd need meticulously recorded string vibrations as samples, nothing else included in their waveforms.

For the latter to work, I'd think of recording the samples using piezo pickups (as found in e.g. double bass pickups) instead of microphones, as many as possible, ideally one under each string group (of one, two, or three strings per note).

The more I think of it, the more enticing it gets--but also I see a huge project with a grand (pun intended) number of pitfalls and challenges.

Oh well, we can always dream of grand (pun intended) things and at least have sparks of learning and creativity from our dreams.

Cheers and exciting dreams to all of us,

HZ

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Originally Posted by HZPiano
Hello,

Originally Posted by peterws
Exciters on a panel, whilst producing a non-centred source of sound, don't work as piano strings do. The exciters would have to be at a distance (trial and error like a piano, or a guitar/violin,) from the panel in order to vibrate it in the same way. They'd have to be free to move, with unrestricted back or front which would or could create an artificial or boxed in effect.
However, the sound of the digital through a speaker equates to the sum total sound of the acoustic, including sound-board resonance delays, bloom, what-have-you. It would be impossible in most cases to separate these out.

I had to read this a few times before getting it--now that I do (I think), I see that you probably mean the same thing that I have pondered for quite a bit:

- You'd need a decent enough soundboard;
- You'd need exciters in multiple places, possibly following the line where a bridge would be;
- You'd need meticulously recorded string vibrations as samples, nothing else included in their waveforms.

For the latter to work, I'd think of recording the samples using piezo pickups (as found in e.g. double bass pickups) instead of microphones, as many as possible, ideally one under each string group (of one, two, or three strings per note).

The more I think of it, the more enticing it gets--but also I see a huge project with a grand (pun intended) number of pitfalls and challenges.

Oh well, we can always dream of grand (pun intended) things and at least have sparks of learning and creativity from our dreams.

Cheers and exciting dreams to all of us,

HZ

I think you said it all. Back to woofers and tweeters with a mid-range thrown in for the better-off amongst us . . . smile


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Hello,

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I think you said it all. Back to woofers and tweeters with a mid-range thrown in for the better-off amongst us . . . smile

😀

Yup, I'm still in the 'woofers and tweeters (no mid-range)' echelon. But am quite happy now with six sets of 'em in my piano setup, which has us back on your intended topic.

In parallel to that, how fortunate that we can always dream sweet dreams... of inspiration and dear wishes... of ideas and solutions... Oh well. 😉

Cheers and sweet (day)dreams,

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On the other hand, there's always the Kawai K15 silent, for my little office . . . .hope to try one out soon. But they cost plenty. and the darn thing'd probably outlast me . . . .that's the bit I don't like.


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On the other hand, there's always the Kawai K15 silent, for my little office . . . .hope to try one out soon. But they cost plenty. and the darn thing'd probably outlast me . . . .that's the bit I don't like.

Now you made me want one too... After the so-manieth hiccup today with digital, computers and the whole Bleh of that, I am fast approaching having totally and completely and utterly had it with digital and VSTis, which to me are mere, however as of yet inevitable, surrogates anyway.

Cheers and happy true instrument playing,

HZ

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