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Hello friends, I've been hunting and trying for a piano for quite a while. There are three that came into my eyes recently and I am about to check them out in person over the weekend. I know the final decision will be based on the condition and how much I like them, but I hope to get your opinions on whether the price points are fair and if there is any room for negotiations.

1. 2004 Petrof IV, asked for $16500, from a private party claimed the piano is in like-new condition.
2. 2011 Schimmel C126, asked for $8500, from a private party claimed in excellent condition. Won't accept negotiations.
3. 1990 Kawai GS40, asked for $12999, from a dealer, claimed in excellent condition.

Please let me know your opinions on the prices or anything I need to watch out for. Thanks in advance!

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Those prices might be okay, but that depends entirely on condition when you evaluate the pianos in-person. In my experience, 90% of piano listings that say "excellent condition", "like new", and "mint condition" are not representing the condition of the piano honestly... An independent technical inspection of the piano you like best, prior to purchase, is typically money well-spent, particularly if you don't know a lot about pianos or are buying from unknown sellers.


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The Petrof seems high, based on the selling price of mine five years back (feel free to message me for details). It's a seller's market for pianos right now but you should be able to negotiate.


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These prices do not make sense to me.How can a Schimmel C126 from 2011 sell for $8500 and a Kawai GS40 from 1990 sell for $12,990? Unless the Schimmel has been ruined or someone is really desperate to sell quickly? The Kawai however sounds rather expensive as well.I would do as terminaldegree suggests and have a good technician check these before deciding.

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These prices do not make sense to me.How can a Schimmel C126 from 2011 sell for $8500 and a Kawai GS40 from 1990 sell for $12,990? Unless the Schimmel has been ruined or someone is really desperate to sell quickly? The Kawai however sounds rather expensive as well.I would do as terminaldegree suggests and have a good technician check these before deciding.

Yeah. I think the owner of Schimmel C126 is in a bit rush. But I'm definitely going to hire a technician to check after I try them out. What would you be a fair price in your opinion for the 1990 GS40 assuming it's in a good condition?

If we assume those three pianos are under a similar excellent condition, in what order would you rate them?

Kawai GS40 > C126 > Petrof IV or Kawai GS40 > Petrof IV > C126?

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Now after trying out all three pianos, I got some updates.

1. Petrof IV is indeed in a pristine condition but the owner wouldn't go anywhere below $15000.

2. Schimmel is actually a C120 or 121 maybe? But definitely not C126. The condition is indeed great but owner insisted at $8500. Is a 2011 (2009 built) C120 worth it?

3. Kawai GS40 is also in a really good condition but you can tell it is from 1990, no longer as shinny as a newly polished one. The piano played perfectly though. No issues in sound quality, pedals, and etc. The lowest I got is around $9300.

I'm debating between the last two and more leaning towards the GS 40 because I really want a grand. Anyone has inputs on the price?

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I suggest going with the Kawai since it is the one you seem to like.Perhaps someone else would like to comment on the prices.

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I think the Schimmel price seems reasonable for a 12-year old Schimmel! I really liked the uprights that I've played.

But if you want a grand, get a grand! Though you should get a tech inspection for any private party used piano for sure. You don't want any surprises. Plus they should be able to help advise on price!


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Get the piano you like best, but as far as the pricing on the Petrof IV, I just bought a 1998 Chippendale in pristine condition for $15,500 from a Bosie dealer. It might be apples and oranges, though, as the Chip has a full Renner action (as opposed to partial-Renner), and it's in the more expensive Chippendale case, but that's what I paid, and seems to be at or a bit below current market where I live.

Used piano prices have gone up, and used Petrof prices seem to have gone up A LOT, even though they are not the same Petrof model design as the current ones when they tripled their new prices.


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Thanks all! Finally got the Schimmel C120/121. I really enjoyed how balance it is, and it is a "loud" piano considering it is not even a C126!

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Congrats! I've really liked all the Schimmel uprights I've played smile


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Congratulations you finally decided on the Schimmel C120.So a wonderful piano.I wish you all the best.One day I may find a European upright I can afford and enjoy.I once played a Schimmel Concert 125 which had a gorgeous tone.It was new so quite expensive. My grand is starting to get a little old, so it would be nice to find something else.Of course the Feurich is still available......?
I hope this does not start an upright or grand argument.I am still trying to recover from the soundboard conflict in the tech forum..

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