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Could we help a little by keeping for some more years our gear, and letting manufacturers to extend market life for their good products?. Just a thought. I agree with your thought, but it does not apply to all the others that still don't own a VPC1. Those poor fellows (count me in), prefer to wait out for a replacement that is environmentally friendly because it will use GFIII (or GFC, but I doubt that decision) and therefore the same parts of other products (and not waste slip tapes that are known to destroy our planet!).
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I think there will never be a successor to the VPC1.
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Come in CG! Don't rain on the parade... Leave that to Pete...
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Surely, you are referring to Peterws, for you see, he is known for having a pessimistic outlook on life, “it’ll never happen, I tell you, never!”
It is said that he carries a dark cloud in his right pocket and can ‘make it rain’ on even the brightest of outlooks.
He has indeed rained on many a’ parades, but yours truly only brings sunshine, for what is a cave but a room without windows; and if I can brighten that cave with the sunshine I carry in my left pocket, why not? I say!
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Surely I was not refering to sunshiny Pete14, the true joy of PW...
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The VPC1 is Kawai's only product which is still using the RM3 Grand II action (please correct me if I am wrong). By the sheer number of products Kawai has in their lineup, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to continue producing this action as (just my guess but it would make common sense) they are using different production lines / production stations for all of their different actions (please correct me if I am wrong). I've made this point before, too. There only thing I can think of is Kawai has so much excess supply of RM3 II parts that it makes sense to keep it around as long as possible until depleted via VPC-1 production?
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I doubt they have enough RM3 II parts in inventory to build a hundred VPC keyboards. If they at all like their peers Kawai likely keeps virtually no inventory beyond what's needed for near-term production. It's all about inventory turns.
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I doubt they have enough RM3 II parts in inventory to build a hundred VPC keyboards. If they at all like their peers Kawai likely keeps virtually no inventory beyond what's needed for near-term production. It's all about inventory turns. Then it's really odd that they wouldn't at least consolidate a production line and turn the VPC-1 to a GF-C unit, which would say once be an update as well as an efficiency optimization (presuming it's close to a drop in replacement).
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Considering the low volumes of pianos ... I wonder whether they need to dedicate a line to a given line of pianos. A single LCA line could produce the boards for all their pianos (assuming they still do this in-house). And the large subassemblies (including keyboard actions) would not need a dedicated line per action. They could produce one action on a line for a period of time, and then changeover to another action. This is typical for low-volume manufacturing. But who knows? I wouldn't know who to ask, and I don't know whether it would be reasonable to expect an answer.
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Kawai could have released at least a small update to the VPC1, if only for the sake of better pedals. Just make the connectors compatible with the GFP-3 pedal jack and put this pedal in the kit instead of the old low-quality one. But no, they don't even want to do that.
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Consider this a business opportunity for you: Kawai could have released at least a small update to the VPC1, if only for the sake of better pedals. Just make the connectors compatible with the GFP-3 pedal jack and put this pedal in the kit instead of the old low-quality one. But no, they don't even want to do that.
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You're ignoring the cost of changing molds.
I suspect that, even with the wonders of CNC machining, changing (say) the pattern of attachment bolts, for a new action, is a big (=expensive) deal.
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Hi all together, I just emailed with a product manager from Kawai and asked him about a successor to the VPC1. He told me that as there is no competitor on the market, the VPC1 will stay on the market at least till end of 2022.
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I doubt they have enough RM3 II parts in inventory to build a hundred VPC keyboards. If they at all like their peers Kawai likely keeps virtually no inventory beyond what's needed for near-term production. It's all about inventory turns. Then it's really odd that they wouldn't at least consolidate a production line and turn the VPC-1 to a GF-C unit, which would say once be an update as well as an efficiency optimization (presuming it's close to a drop in replacement). There are two probable ways a new VPC model could make it to market: A new MP520 model gets the GF-C action and a stripped down variant of that becomes the new VPC520. A new MP920 model gets a new GF3 action and stripped down variant of the old MP11 becomes the new VPC (that is how the VPC1 was created from the MP10).
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I think that the guy saying he can detect latency of 1ms would need to be some sort of mutant to be capable of that (or be detecting it using machines). Coming from the middle east, I found it difficult to persuade folks here that supernatural phenomena don't exist. We are still dreaming of VPC1 and MP12 here... It's surprising how myths are easily accepted while proven scientific facts aren't. To be accurate, people actually resist accepting them because most of the times they are very unpleasant!
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As a simple minded person I thought my informations re MP 12 and VPC2 ( which I received from a high ranking insider) would be helpful for some.
Unfortunately I was wrong in such an assumption.
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As a simple minded person I thought my informations re MP 12 and VPC2 ( which I received from a high ranking insider) would be helpful for some.
Unfortunately I was wrong in such an assumption.
Chordo24 Which information exactly?
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As a simple minded person I thought my informations re MP 12 and VPC2 ( which I received from a high ranking insider) would be helpful for some.
Unfortunately I was wrong in such an assumption.
Chordo24 Haven't you figured out that this place is a [censored] show yet?
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I doubt they have enough RM3 II parts in inventory to build a hundred VPC keyboards. If they at all like their peers Kawai likely keeps virtually no inventory beyond what's needed for near-term production. It's all about inventory turns. Then it's really odd that they wouldn't at least consolidate a production line and turn the VPC-1 to a GF-C unit, which would say once be an update as well as an efficiency optimization (presuming it's close to a drop in replacement). There are two probable ways a new VPC model could make it to market: A new MP520 model gets the GF-C action and a stripped down variant of that becomes the new VPC520. A new MP920 model gets a new GF3 action and stripped down variant of the old MP11 becomes the new VPC (that is how the VPC1 was created from the MP10). And who would buy either? The price might be a reduction on the original models, but what's so good about the GF-C? Nothing that I can dedect. It felt like a Roland might. Quite nice but nothing special. Can we not expect something special, pref. prior to the locust cloud descending? How about the GL10 action with interconnected pedals which lighten the keys when it's pressed . . . Millenium3 I think it's called. Yeah, I'd exchange my P515 for that . . . .
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