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No I'm saying eq adjustments should be a separate setting to brilliance and all similar presets.
This is because adjusting eq is completely different to changing the character of the tone, you are changing the balance of the sound, so it is not remotely the same preset and should not be implemented as one (referring to just brilliance and mellow) - You may consider bass cut and bass increase akin to eq settings which is fair enough.

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Hi butterbox,

Congratulations on your new CA79. From a key action standpoint it is indeed a great action. I chose this instrument mainly for this and I do not regret it.

I was able to easily assign the left pedal to page turn on my Newzik iOS app. Other apps like Piascore may need an external device or a recent iPad to make use of facial recognition to change page.

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Hate to be a killjoy but I'm quite disappointed with the gf3 action.

To me it is extremely obvious it is not an acoustic action, and had hoped based on popular opinion, it would be almost indistinguishable from a real piano. But it's not a huge improvement over my casio privia key action.

It seems like the key when pressed should go much lower down - its as though you're only getting to press it halfway down before something stops you.

The ivory finish of the white keys is too matte and textured, but every piano I've played the white keys are glossy, without feeling like plastic.

It is quite a light action, yet I struggle to perform trills and fast passages cleanly (example Chopin's "ocean" etude. Only when doing this does the action feel heavy to me. I have no trouble with trills on an acoustic upright or grand.

Its not a bad digital action, its probably the best one there is, it's just not fooling me.
And I can totally understand what Stu means when he says there's a lack of expression and dynamic control compared to acoustic.

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Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
Hate to be a killjoy but I'm quite disappointed with the gf3 action.

To me it is extremely obvious it is not an acoustic action, and had hoped based on popular opinion, it would be almost indistinguishable from a real piano. But it's not a huge improvement over my casio privia key action.

It seems like the key when pressed should go much lower down - its as though you're only getting to press it halfway down before something stops you.

The ivory finish of the white keys is too matte and textured, but every piano I've played the white keys are glossy, without feeling like plastic.

It is quite a light action, yet I struggle to perform trills and fast passages cleanly (example Chopin's "ocean" etude. Only when doing this does the action feel heavy to me. I have no trouble with trills on an acoustic upright or grand.

Its not a bad digital action, its probably the best one there is, it's just not fooling me.
And I can totally understand what Stu means when he says there's a lack of expression and dynamic control compared to acoustic.

Have you tried the clp785? Curious what you think of the competition since I’m still considering both vs their hybrid upright competitors.

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Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I'm quite disappointed with the gf3 action....it's not a huge improvement over my casio privia key action.

Interesting opinion.

I'll have to try the Casio Privia action again.
Which model did you own previously, may I ask?

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I can't remember because I destroyed it accidently due to a clicking key issue. Px 850 or something like that. No wooden key action, but I can't say the wood offers a far superior experience.

There is also a very strong artificial plastic smell coming from the keys which doesn't go away over time. Wiping with a cloth is not getting rid of it. It's coming from below the key bed.
Psychologically it's ruining any immersion of playing, as my old digital piano had the exactly the same smell but only for the first few days of ownership. My brain is associating it with the cheaper digital piano.

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That's why I say it's probably the best digital action, at least to me. Since the clp 685 I played was hands down the worst action I've had the misfortune of having under my finger tips.

Heavy, clunky and didn't behave in anyway like any piano I've ever played.

I haven't tried Roland.

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Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
the clp 685 I played was hands down the worst action I've had the misfortune of having under my finger tips.

That seems a little extreme. There are many pianists who are very happy with the CLP-685's keyboard action.
I also believe it's a perfectly fine action.

However, you're obviously entitled to your opinion.

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That is why I gave my reasoning for detesting the action. Doesn't feel close to any acoustic I've played.
There are also a great many people on this thread who would agree that it is a heavy and clunky action.
And of course it is only my opinion. One which I personally feel strongly about.

I disliked yamaha action and sound that much that I was willing to drop 3.5k on a piano I never got the chance to play in person.

I'm confident I made the better choice for myself.

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Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I'm confident I made the better choice for myself.

Yes, but did you make that choice all by yourself?

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I'm afraid I don't know what you mean?

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Originally Posted by InspiredByKawai
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean?

What I mean, Inspired, is that our so-called personal choices are indeed influenced by the many -voices- and, therefore, we never truly make a choice ‘all by ourselves’, but rely on the gullible and easily influenced subconscious.

For example, I’d read so many bad things about the GrandTouch that by the time I actually touched it, my senses -unconsciously- expected the worse, and when this was not the case, I doubted my own convictions, “I must be crazy to find no issues with this action”, I said.

So you see, I’d been heavily ‘influenced’ by the voices; some of which have an agenda to manipulate us in a certain direction (this applies to all; not just ‘pianos’).

Some do not have an agenda but are stubborn and arrogant, and it’s only their way or the highway, “Celvianos are not real hybrids!” IMHO!

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Ah I see.
No ten years back when I was a student, my school had a flagship yamaha clp, and it was back then I realised Yamaha's products were not for me.
The action was unnaturally heavy and the sound was too bright and shrill for my ears.

They also had an entry level kawai kdp model of the time which opened my ears up to what a digital piano can sound like.

A few years ago I tried the clp 685 in a shop to see if Yamaha's touch and tone had "improved" to my ear. But if anything it felt like a step backward over what I tried all those years ago.

I've not in anyway been influenced by opinions on pianoworld.

You can call me stubborn or arrogant but I do not like Yamaha's digital pianos, I'm not inferring that someone who does is wrong for liking them. To each their own!

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I think that expensive hybrid digital pianos exist for a reason. The reason is that no actual action inside not-hybrid DPs is able to give exactly the same feeling of actions in acoustic pianos (and I'm not talking about the sound).
But at the same time, I think the timbre and quality of the piano engine, the amp, the speakers, and the way the velocity curve is calibrated influence very much the perception you have of the action.

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This is possible considering my entire top speaker system is defective.
I'm waiting on kawai to send replacement speakers.

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I have a CA99 and started seeing a weird issue. I use "SK-EX Concert Grand" with SK-EX rendering on and tuning set to 440Hz. After playing for a while, when I go into settings, I see that the tuning is now 439.5Hz. I change it back to 440Hz and see the same thing happening.

I'm not sure if the act of going into the settings is changing the tuning or if the tuning was changing midway during playing.
I have the latest Firmware and UI updates.

Anyone else seeing this issue?

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@cvad: are you serious? Maybe your particolar CA99 is so realistic that it goes out of tune in time...? grin

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@magicpiano: Yep completely serious. Lol, maybe I should set it to 440.5 so it tunes out to 440 laugh.

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Suggestion, set to 440.5 and see what happens. FWIW , the error is approximately 1/1000 or 0.1%. Considering a half tone variation is 6% or 60 times as much, I really doubt even the most experienced piano player, even a person with absolute ears, will notice this error.


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