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Well, here's the latest girl piano player with plenty of glitz and leg and mascara but who knows what else. Oh, I know. CANDLES! Check this out about somebody named "Serene." Have I missed this new "sensation?"

https://secretnyc.co/candlelight-concert-serene-nyc/

I see that she is a "renowned Bösendorfer artist" who once played inside an airplane. Is anyone else a bit tired of this trend? As Henry II once remarked (and I paraphrase), "Will no one rid me of these turbulent cheesecake pianists?"


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I’m very tired of it—- so I just boycott all videos, albums and performances. They have the right to advertise any way they want. I exercise my right to say ‘No,thanks’.


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Originally Posted by cfhosford
Well, here's the latest girl piano player with plenty of glitz and leg and mascara but who knows what else. Oh, I know. CANDLES! Check this out about somebody named "Serene." Have I missed this new "sensation?"

https://secretnyc.co/candlelight-concert-serene-nyc/

I see that she is a "renowned Bösendorfer artist" who once played inside an airplane. Is anyone else a bit tired of this trend? As Henry II once remarked (and I paraphrase), "Will no one rid me of these turbulent cheesecake pianists?"
I think by posting a thread about this on PW you are advertising for this pianist, and the thread will probably have a lot of posts.

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Why the negativity, it looks like a cool event that I know I would enjoy.

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Ravel - Jeux d'eau
Liszt - Mephisto Waltz
Liszt - Consolation No 3
Liszt - Spanish Rhapsody
Ravel - La Valse
Kapustin - Etude Op. 40 No. 8
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue

Never heard of her but I would like to have her piano playing skills.






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“ After graduating from Carnegie Mellon University one year early with university honors in computer science, she began working as a software engineer for Google in Manhattan while living on a sailboat.”

Sure there’s hype but Serene seems pretty solid all round. Professional music is part of the entertainment business so why not find a way to stand out?

NYC is too far for me so I won’t be going to her concert but I’d certainly cross the road to hear her play.

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What's the problem? It's just her twist on being a modern performer, no different than rock bands who all have different stage shows. If the cool setting gets more people into solo piano works, all the better! She might be a middling artist for all I know, and her idea might fall flat, or she might put on some cool shows for some people who wouldn't attend one otherwise.

Or does it only count if it's in a stuffy hall and everyone is wearing a tie or evening gown? God forbid anything is done which some teenagers might think is cool to get more people into classical music.

I'd go if it was happening in my town (despite the fact that it features Liszt), given that the concert series in PDX doesn't start up til Jan '22.

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I can understand the feeling of "turbulent cheesecake pianists". But I think it's a bit useless and just how this industy works. Large concerts are for show and glamour, not for getting the very best sound. If you want to spend time fixing things you don't like, maybe you should start in a more urgent area than a pianist's outfit.

It looks like they are trying to give a relaxing atmosphere for the concert. Seems a good idea to me.

I never heard of "Serene" (doesn't she have a last name? Makes it hard to find anything on her) but I assume she can play decently.

That tentative program to me does not look like a "crowd pleaser", it more looks like highly technical, as if she's trying to show off. For me it's definitely not relaxing music. So I'm a bit puzzled by that.


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Never heard of Serene. That is not the best Rach 3 I heard,as she lacks power but for a self taught recent pianist it is very impressive. I dont see what can be bothering here.

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What a mean and dismissive introduction to a pianist. She is not a "girl" though of course nowadays that is often a put down in itself. (Maybe the Brits among us will remember Boris Johnson's "girly swats" insult.)
She doesn't seem any more made up or glitzy than any other artist who has to perfom formally in public under lights and cameras and I can hardly see her legs in the video or photos. She's not even wearing heels in that video. Gasp!
I thought her demeanour at the piano was very calm and unflashy and wish her well.

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Originally Posted by cfhosford
Well, here's the latest girl piano player with plenty of glitz and leg and mascara but who knows what else. Oh, I know. CANDLES! Check this out about somebody named "Serene." Have I missed this new "sensation?"

https://secretnyc.co/candlelight-concert-serene-nyc/

I see that she is a "renowned Bösendorfer artist" who once played inside an airplane. Is anyone else a bit tired of this trend? As Henry II once remarked (and I paraphrase), "Will no one rid me of these turbulent cheesecake pianists?"


What I'm missing and can't find in this post is where you have heard her play. If you haven't, then you can't actually know whether there is any steak to the sizzle.

Btw, you seem to have your ages mixed up - she looks like an adult. Here's what it looks like when a girl plays the piano. This is a girl.




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I guess it's the hyperbole of the advertising that rankles:
“One of the world’s most exciting young pianists…”
“A spectacle to match the New York Philharmonic”
“One of the most talked-about young talents in classical music”
“The renowned Bósendorfer artist”
“Having risen to fame …”
“ … a phenomenal pianist that will have you pinching yourself in disbelief”

I know I live on the fringe of the known world, but I've never heard of Serene except as a synonym in crossword puzzles.

Her Rachmaninoff showed a technical facility for detail no doubt, but lacked any sense of drama or passion. She seemed to be unable to draw much from the piano, and I don't know whether that was the fault of the instrument or her limited capacity for projection.

Now, about those "thousands" of candles: Whose overkill gimmick is that?

If they are real candles it would take a team to get them all lit before the first ones flicker and die. Maybe the audience will flicker, too, and gasp from the scent of melting wax.
If they are battery-operated candles, let's hope that have long-life batteries in them.

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Well, your hitting the nail on the head for me, Bruce. My general impression is that Rachmaninoff performance seems nothing more than a great achievement by an amateur with pretty limited technical equipment which makes for lack luster control of the instrument and lackluster music making overall. That's a lot of marking to put behind playing that just isn't very remarkable when compared to better students coming out of prestigious conservatories these days.

That might sound like an unfair comparison. But for me the point is, if the competition pool we've seen recently is any indication, we seem to have more well trained and well equipped, if not particularly inspiring, pianists than ever. Why is this being highlighted?

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It was a promotional piece in an alt rag, which given by the top of their homepage, is mainly centered around night life and things to do.

It's not like it was an article in the Times declaring her the second coming of Horowitz.

Get a grip folks.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
I guess it's the hyperbole of the advertising that rankles:
“One of the world’s most exciting young pianists…”
“A spectacle to match the New York Philharmonic”
“One of the most talked-about young talents in classical music”
“The renowned Bósendorfer artist”
“Having risen to fame …”
“ … a phenomenal pianist that will have you pinching yourself in disbelief”

I know I live on the fringe of the known world, but I've never heard of Serene except as a synonym in crossword puzzles.

Whenever i travel in the US, and go for a breakfast, i see consistently something like "here we serve the best pancakes in the world" which is a blatant lie of course. Any if not all advertisings are partially and sometimes complete BS. So nothing really new here, just overinflation of words. If it works, and some people like what she does, good for her.

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Uh, what exactly is wrong with an amateur musician successfully hacking the industry with slightly unconventional means to chase her dream?

As an amateur who no one ever listens to and has dozens of Juilliard/Curtis friends who don't have performing careers, I say more power to her if there are people willing to pay to listen.

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Originally Posted by trigalg693
Uh, what exactly is wrong with an amateur musician successfully hacking the industry with slightly unconventional means to chase her dream?

As an amateur who no one ever listens to and has dozens of Juilliard/Curtis friends who don't have performing careers, I say more power to her if there are people willing to pay to listen.

Oh, nothing honestly. Media and advertising can be grating, plain and simple. heck, I'll be plenty surprised if she believes her own accolades. I've certainly had someone write press releases on my behalf, and the "embellishing" among other things can be grating. But no, the previous two posters are correct. It's a particular sort of media platform advertising and a lot of us are collectively gagging. We're just gagging in volume on a public forum, which is pretty "loud".

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Lol, that cadenza of her Rach 3 is atrocious. There are numerous people on this forum who play it far better.


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