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Originally Posted by Batuhan
what's the point of calling it rondo in the manner of mazurka ?
Why not?

Chopin's greatest piece is a fantasy in the manner of a polonaise (or a polonaise in the form of a fantasy, depending on your perspective).

And other composers have composed pieces in the form of a pear, not to mention desiccated embryos.


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Originally Posted by Batuhan
rondo a la mazur is from the compositional perspective very primitive and ordinary comparing to other chopin pieces but have a nice melody and i dont understand why chopin didn't write it as mazurka instead of rondo what's the point of calling it rondo in the manner of mazurka ?
It's a rondo where the rondo theme is a mazurka so the title seems very appropriate.

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Ballade Fm
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are my top 2.


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Surprised no one has selected Ballade No. 2 in F major.

That one doesn't get enough love - even though it is deserving.


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Originally Posted by Carey
Surprised no one has selected Ballade No. 2 in F major.

That one doesn't get enough love - even though it is deserving.
My least favorite of the ballades because of the super "angry" main section.

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When I originally made my list I was only thinking of solo works for some reason. I would have definitely included the Concerto No.1 otherwise. I wonder if other posters are only considering solo works since I didn't make that clear in my OP?

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Surprised no one has selected Ballade No. 2 in F major.

That one doesn't get enough love - even though it is deserving.
My least favorite of the ballades because of the super "angry" main section.

It is also my least favorite. The switching back and forth between the calm and turbulent sections started to get fatiguing after many listenings of the piece. I think the piece could have been shorter and labeled an etude.

However, I think I rate the Ab Ballade higher than some posters. I prefer it to the Gm Ballade, though not to take anything away from the Gm one. Both are superb.

I will admit that I've not explored the Mazurkas as much as the rest of Chopin's body of work. The teacher who had the most impact on me authored a music theory textbook, and taught a course on keyboard literature from a historical and theory perspective. He held that the Mazurkas were where Chopin did most of his experimentation and pushing of the boundaries, particularly with respect to harmony, but also with melodic form and structure. Chopin composed Mazurkas throughout his life, perhaps using them as testbeds for ideas.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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Surprised no one has selected Ballade No. 2 in F major.

That one doesn't get enough love - even though it is deserving.
My least favorite of the ballades because of the super "angry" main section.

It is also my least favorite. The switching back and forth between the calm and turbulent sections started to get fatiguing after many listenings of the piece. I think the piece could have been shorter and labeled an etude.

I wonder if Chopin had any thoughts about dedicating it to Schumann.
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However, I think I rate the Ab Ballade higher than some posters. I prefer it to the Gm Ballade, though not to take anything away from the Gm one. Both are superb
i agree about Op. 47. There is something about that extended coda, so powerful and rhapsodic and somewhat like that in Op. 61.
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I will admit that I've not explored the Mazurkas as much as the rest of Chopin's body of work. The teacher who had the most impact on me authored a music theory textbook, and taught a course on keyboard literature from a historical and theory perspective. He held that the Mazurkas were where Chopin did most of his experimentation and pushing of the boundaries, particularly with respect to harmony, but also with melodic form and structure. Chopin composed Mazurkas throughout his life, perhaps using them as testbeds for ideas.

It’s great to see this as this is of high interest and relatability to me currently. I neglected and underestimated the Mazurka category until recently. After practically a lifetime of thinking I knew Chopin via the other categories and one-offs, I finally know I shouldn’t have been dismissive. They are so special and remarkable, really everything that others have described. The only bright outlook now is to realize I have more than 50 pieces to study closely that were nearly all not familiar before.

I listed the Op. 56 and 59 sets above in the Top 10 favorites/ greatest. Before my recent ‘discovery’ I would have placed Sonata Op. 58 and Scherzo Op. 54 in those slots. Opus 41 and 50 are very appealing especially considering how they reflect Chopin’s evolution in writing from earlier adulthood to maturity. They really do mirror the exploration found in Chopin’s other compositions of his middle-late period. Some of them have an abstract quality, and some of the motifs have become instant earworms for me.

I would love to know which are others' favorites, and even not so favorite.

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Surprised no one has selected Ballade No. 2 in F major.
My least favorite of the ballades because of the super "angry" main section.
It is also my least favorite. The switching back and forth between the calm and turbulent sections started to get fatiguing after many listenings of the piece. I think the piece could have been shorter and labeled an etude.
I wonder if Chopin had any thoughts about dedicating it to Schumann.

I bet he did.......

https://armchairharmonist.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/musings-on-music-chopin-and-schumann-i/


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ok, one more, as an absolute favourite of mine to play and to hear: étude in A-flat opus 10 nr.10.


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I couldn't name ten...


In no particular order:

1. Rondo alla Krakow Op. 14 (for piano and orchestra)
2. Scherzo in B minor Op. 20 [but only played by Horowitz or Darrè, since they play the ending scale in interlocking octaves.]
3. Scherzo in E major Op. 54
4. Ballade in G minor Op. 23


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It is so hard to choose favorite Chopin pieces because I adore nearly all of his music. I do agree about the F major Ballade "angry" section though, it is so lovely and then suddenly feels like a punch in the face. It is actually rather upsetting to me. I particularly love the G minor Ballade and am working on it.

My current favorite prelude would be Op 28, C minor, because I can FINALLY reach that chord in the second measure without doing all sorts of contortions! grin

I love nearly all the nocturnes. Recently enjoying Op 55, No 1, F minor. It feels to me like Chopin was in a "funky" mood and it is fun to play. Also loving the challenge of Op 48, No 1, C minor.

The mazurkas fascinate me also, perhaps it is my Polish heritage? Current favorites would be:
Op. 7, No. 2
Op. 30, No. 1
Op. 33, No. 1
But I don't like to play Op. 68, No. 4, which I believe was considered to be his last composition. I have tried to play it and it is just too heartbreaking.


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Originally Posted by Adagiette
It is so hard to choose favorite Chopin pieces because I adore nearly all of his music. I do agree about the F major Ballade "angry" section though, it is so lovely and then suddenly feels like a punch in the face. It is actually rather upsetting to me.
I don't understand this dislike of extreme contrasts in music from (some) people. The second Ballade is my favorite, and the only Chopin ballade I ever learnt......because I love to play up the contrasts (and jolt complacent listeners out of their reverie wink ), and the final headlong section which ends in A minor is simply stunningly violent. (BTW, another of my favorite short pieces, Schubert's D899/2, also starts in major and ends in an angry minor thumb.)

That might be because of my hot (non-Latin, despite their reputation for hotness) temperament, which is why my username isn't Tranquillo..... whistle


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I am not sure i have a favorite and i dont know which are the greatest. But currently i am in his second sonata and it is certainly one of his most innovative works, if not one of the most innovative of the entire production of the high romantic period. In addition it is a wonderful piece of music.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
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It is so hard to choose favorite Chopin pieces because I adore nearly all of his music. I do agree about the F major Ballade "angry" section though, it is so lovely and then suddenly feels like a punch in the face. It is actually rather upsetting to me.
I don't understand this dislike of extreme contrasts in music from (some) people.
It's not the fact that the sections in the F major Ballade are greatly contrasting that make me like that ballade less than the other three. Almost all of the pieces I chose as Chopin's greatest contain sections of great contrast. It's just the particular music Chopin wrote for what I called the angry section that I don't like so much.

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I actually prefer the Ballade in F major, over the Ballade in A-flat and Ballade in F minor.

[insert self deprecating humor]
Of course, what do I know though? I play Edward MacDowell's pieces that aren't named "To a Wild Rose". [/end self deprecation]

In all seriousness though, I actually like the way Chopin wrote the Ballade in F. Of course, music and art, I have grown to realize over the years, is subjective, so people out there may not like Chopin's Ballade in F.

But, in terms of popularity, it still beats out some of the other ballades out there. (Not that popularity should ever be used as a measurement of worth, but let's just play along.)

How many times do you see Chopin F major ballade on a program in comparison to say... the Liszt D-flat ballade, the Liszt B minor ballade, the Grieg G minor ballade, the Faure F-sharp ballade, et cetera?

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
It's not the fact that the sections in the F major Ballade are greatly contrasting that make me like that ballade less than the other three. Almost all of the pieces I chose as Chopin's greatest contain sections of great contrast. It's just the particular music Chopin wrote for what I called the angry section that I don't like so much.
But the angry sections are so much fun to play - along with the coda. grin


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Not sure if anyone else experienced this but I had listened to the ballades long before I obtained the scores and I was pretty surprised to look at that “angry” section in the F major ballade. I could’ve never imagined those were the actual notes pianists play 😀 If you play them slowly and distinctly, they are rather different than the final full-blown up-to-speed outburst that everybody plays. Makes me wonder if Chopin really meant such a huge contrast and a rather messy blur. Which is also the reason why it’s my least favorite ballade too.

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Originally Posted by Farazissimo
IBut, in terms of popularity, it still beats out some of the other ballades out there. (Not that popularity should ever be used as a measurement of worth, but let's just play along.)

How many times do you see Chopin F major ballade on a program in comparison to say... the Liszt D-flat ballade, the Liszt B minor ballade, the Grieg G minor ballade, the Faure F-sharp ballade, et cetera?
For almost any piece of music with a commonly used title, I bet one can find similarly named pieces that are performed less. For example, one can probably find other pieces named "ballade" that are performed less than the Grieg Ballade you mentioned. But I don't think this proves anything except the obvious fact that some pieces with the same name some are more popular than others with that name.

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