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Hi, I have recently finished the Ballade in G minor and I have went back to work on the climax (i apologize for not knowing the official name for the climax) and i have tried out a new way to interpret where i press the bass notes slightly early. I would love to hear your thoughts on the entire passage and ways to improve. I apologize for not including the build up.

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Played on - Yamaha P105 digital piano

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It's a bit hard to make much of a judgement on an audio clip that lasts only 44 seconds (measures 106 to 124 of the score).

I do find that the audio is very reverberant, and I don't know whether that is a fault of the recording device used or whether you are using too much pedal. I think that there may be some of the latter; pedal changes come a little late, so that in part contributes to the recording's lack of clarity. I don't know, either, how sensitive the damper pedal may be on a Yamaha P105; that, too, may contribute to my concern.

As for the bass notes coming in before the right hand at times, I don't think that that does any particular service to the recording; indeed it may help with my sense of lack of clarity.

I wonder what you mean by having "finished" the Ballade. How are you doing with the treacherous coda, the Presto con fuoco, starting at measure 208? This is the pianist's real test in this work. Is a work such as this ever finished?

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The audio is not of the best quality and there is a general lack of clarity, either due to the recording or too much pedal or both. So it is difficult to judge the overall result.

As far as playing the bass notes earlier, i dont find that to be a good idea. It just adds to the unclarity by introducing an additional complexity.

In terms of improvements, i think you should work on a more structured rythm, you tend to loose the momentum , ie what you call the climax, by having a loose pace and accentuation that doesnt fall in the proper timing. I think you should drop your idea about the bass and first make sure you have a clean cut with a proper rythm and a good phrasing. That should take care to a large part of the climax

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Hi, thank you for your response.

The audio is in fact very reverberant, due to my digital piano's bass notes being loudly overwhelming even when pressed very softly. I think maybe its because I also tend to play the bass notes quite loudly. I will indeed work on the clarity.

When I said I finished the Ballade, I meant i have finished learning everything. However, I am still not comfortable with some of the scales so I will keep working on it until I can play it at a performance level. Surprisingly the coda for me wasn't all that challenging to play. But what was hard was using less pedal amd accenting the bass notes which is quite hard on my piano since you can't really hear the notes (you can only hear a loud booming sound). The coda right now is currently not at the level that I want to play it at so, I will be practicing again and again until I can improve.

I would also like to apologize for not knowing the official terms for the music. I never had a teacher and I only learned from YouTube. I often listen to recordings of Horowitz and Rubinstein to comprehend how they played certain passages but most of the time I just play it like i feel it.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the help.

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Thank you for your response.

I find your advice to be extremely helpful. I will take your advice and forget about the early bass notes idea for now and work on my structure and rythm and good phrasing.

As for the audio quality, I do understand what you're getting at. A common problem on the Yamaha P105 is that the bass notes tend to be too loud, as if you have put on a bass test video from youtube through a speaker. You can't really hear the notes in the first 2 octaves. You can only hear a loud booming noise with a hint of the note of course.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the help.

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I may have played fast and loose with the words "not all that difficult for me" when I mentioned the coda. It was indeed extremely challenging to the point which I became aware that I may have started a piece that was slightly out of my level. But I practiced and learned day and night and finally got it but it still sounds horrible and its not up to the standard required on the forum. If I can't play the measure 106-124 correctly, you can only imagine how I play the coda.


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