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Maybe that's what we like about these forums and the postings. Maybe that's what keeps us here when new models are scarce and hardy available . . .
It then behoves us all to use a little imagination, to evoke a less than little backlash. It makes the world turn and burn.
But I didn't light the fire!

This guy's probably stuck on his piano, as well, no?

The recording was described as showing that the piano is up to the task. That would make this the first time I've heard it suggested, directly or implicitly, that a digital piano may limit the use of rubato.

Sometimes one could think that certain DPs, too much expensive for the value they offer, could instead encourage the use of “rubato”.

Usually I don't bother with responses like yours but I'll indulge. I'd advise you to re-read the OP: he's working on " Rachmaninoff's moment musicaux, Chopin's polonaise, and some Liszt etudes" ... obviously, obviously an advanced student. and Would I recommend for him to upgrade from a P-45 to a better instrument? Absolutely. At his level any player will enjoy a better instrument, make practicing and playing more fun and less effort. for the LEVEL of the pieces he's working on he should definitely have access to an acoustic piano, and if not possible for any reason whatsoever, a better digital piano at the very least. I didn't claim to know ANYTHING else regarding the OP 's situation, I just said what I RECOMMEND to MY students.


Just saying what you "don't think is the case" based on 0 facts that you provided/quoted in your post is asinine (unlike my substantiated post which helps the OP if he's indeed in that situation which seems like it based on the original post) . I don't know if you're either trolling or simply ignorant, or you just had a one time misstep. I don't know you so I don't judge.

Also, I have to say that I had 2 hours to lose yesterday and I have used them by reading close to all the comments of Joe. It is quite revealing, if you have time to lose. I think we should not take too seriously his writings. He might not be 100 % what he claims to be. I guess that is the magic of forum, we never really know from where the people speaks. It is really time consuming.

IMHO it is very simple: if you want to play/practice "classical" piano music at professional level, soon or later an acoustic piano will be absolutely necessary in your professional path. The sooner the better.
In all the other scenarios, even a low-end DP (but not too much low-end!) can be enough, depending from the needs and expectations of the pianist. Of course, the more the better. The closest to an acoustic is an hybrid DP. You'll get the same action of an acoustic, but not the same sound...

Anyway, I think a P45 is not enough if you already are an amateur but decent piano player. All the more so if you are a very good piano player. AFAIK the P45 has an inferior piano engine compared to the P125, and it has a max polyphony of 64 voices VS the 192 of the P125.Between the Yamaha and Kawai models you mentioned I think Kawai has the better keyboard action, Yamaha the better piano sound quality. But this is very subjective and you should really try yourself.

Righto my friend peterws ..... ‘oo needs an OP to keep threads alive and burnin i say ? may haps ya din’t light it but me thinks you my’like avv’in a go at watchin er burn, ay? 😉 ..... and it’aint as bloody simple now as blam’in it on the Yanks agin ad nauseam, i say, ‘cause the obvious truth be told is blokes all over this freakshow world may like ‘avin a go at causin train wrecks but i say, even those oo don’t may like ‘avin a peek at watchin recks after somebody else did the favor of caus’in it, they do iffin ya know what i mean .... and remember virtual kiddies, rule #7 about forum do’s and don’ts - do NOT feed the animals ! especially the trolling kinds who may have simply fallen into your fav forum by accident thinking they landed in their intended fav beavisNbutthead forum for Assians.... you are virtually advised to carry on like many others increasingly do for aspects of this burning world .... seeking shelter in pretending it didn’t happen.


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@drewr: Nice job with the lingo. I hope peterws takes it in the spirit intended.

I've excused your French.

Holy grail, I´ve never expected you to put a capital letter to French.

I dont believe I've come across such a thread anywhere in the internet. Yes, a digital is more than sufficient to learn on, provided one plays at his/her teacher's acoustic once a week. To claim otherwise is pure elitism, or ignorance.....or trolling.
Case in point my son. He only has my ew 300, the most unsuitable instrument to learn on, and when we went to his first class, two days ago, he played for 90 minutes on his teacher's grand with ease. I, on the other hand, didnt manage to make it produce sound..... because I've never practiced on an acoustic.
Still, I am not sure what to get him. A p515 now, or a Young Chang y 121 upright for Christmas? (So I can save up some money) He does prefer upright pianos to digitals, but we are talking double the cost.
The irony is that my 11 year old son doesn't consider digitals to be real pianos 🤣

Somebody likes me at last . . . .

I wonder where he got that from? Oh, I know, his teacher!

Yes, this sounds like conservatory-talk: “digital pianos are not real.”

Ironically enough, many conservatories are now buying hybrids by the dozen; of course, if you ask them about this, they will say the ‘fake digitals’ are there for use in case of an emergency only; whatever the heck that means.

Digital pianos are as real and true as you and I, and not only that, but I know for a fact that companies like Yamaha and Kawai are already in the process of dropping the upright-acoustic once and for all, and this will ultimately extend to the baby, the grand, and the 9’ beast.

Now, whilst the upright will be dropped (never again produced), the remaining ‘grands’ will be built in much smaller quantities and then, at some point, only on a per-order basis (very expensive). This, my friend, this is very real!


The future belongs to the digital, and please don’t give me the usual “hammers hitting strings”, and “wall of sound”, and “robust resonances” defense because the real-modern-piano (digital) will not need outdated hammers hitting basic strings to produce the biggest wall of sound(s) and most infinite resonances ever to be heard from a small physical footprint that can fit in the smallest of places and will be priced for the common man and not for the ‘hand-made’ elite!

Nope, he didnt get it from his teacher. He came to this conclusion because he is playing uprights and grands for three years, at the conservatory, while practicing at a yamaha ew 300 at home. He really prefers the grand action, but when he played a p515 a a store, he liked it.
Today I am thinking about ordering a p515 with the stand and pedal. Only problem is that it will cost around 1700€, and I could get a clp 725 for a bit less, so I am really undecided.

Have you tried both? Aren't they quite similar, save for the P-model not having a cabinet?
Or is the P515 more like a CLP745 minus the cabinet?
If the latter, then I'd definitely recommend the P515.

A Yamaha PSR-EW300 is also not a real digital piano. 😉

We tried the clp 735, and frankly, the differences in feel, although real, aren't so big to sway my son in any direction. He liked both of them. We didnt try the 725, but I gather it has the same action as the 735. There wasn't a 745 to try, so I really don't know how different it is.

Lol exactly 😃 That's why I cant play a grand......yet.

Joe T great answer —imho—if you are not gigging out, and can play an acoustic at home w/o disturbing the world, get a real piano—-I have an entire digital set up on one side of my room -never touch it hardly-
I was blessed to find a Yamaha U 1 that wasn’t used at a college but but sat in house —certified tech inspected —pristine -that’s what I play 5hrs a day, it maintains tune and regulation …
digital without real strings , even the expensive Clavinovas just feel like a toy to me.. just follow everyone’s advice and get it inspected—-yes there’s 10,000 parts to go wrong but you have nightmares w digitals too.