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#3156139 09/13/21 08:59 PM
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Hey there,

I was hoping you fine and knowledgable folks could suggest something new for my Technique routine. Ive been 20 minutes a day for years now. Im looking for something more advanced, but not etudes. I know all the basics, all scales, arpeggios, contrary motion, Russian pattern, Most of the Hanon. I lack a bit in thirds and octaves... ive glanced at the Brahms exercises... ive played 4-5 Chopin Etudes.

What are your most beneficial exercises which improves your technique?

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I think that a pertinent answer would be dependent upon your telling us what technique(s) you need to improve if there are more than thirds and octaves. In that context, Etudes are often a good solution because many Etudes/Studies focus on individual technical challenges.

While Czerny may not be to everyone's taste, he has written several volumes of Studies of varying challenges and (varying) degrees of interest and musicality. His Op. 409, "50 Grandi Studi di Perfezionamento," contain several Studies based on thirds and some fewer based on octave technique. They are easy to cherry-pick because each Study carries a title descriptive of the technical challenge involved.

Since you have played four or five Chopin Etudes, I would think that that would be a genre worthy of exploration: Bergmuller, Heller, Moszkowski, MacDowell, Blumenfeld, Scriabin, Hummel, Liszt, Rachmaninoff are all composers whose Etudes could be of use to you.

That said, many composers' works can be sources of technical improvement dependent upon the approach one takes to them.

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Originally Posted by MinscAndBoo
What are your most beneficial exercises which improves your technique?
Let me suggest (promote) this slim volume which is chock-full of all the most intractable piano exercises known to man or beast:

https://www.amazon.com/Pianoforte-Technique-Hour-Geoffrey-Tankard/dp/0853603634

If you're a virtuoso, you'll sail through all of them. Anything less and you might find difficulties here & there, and you're going to have to do some serious work.
Let me assure you, there is not a single tune in the book to distract you from the task of acquiring a comprehensive piano technique (assuming you already have fairly advanced skills).

My last teacher - a concert pianist - gave me this book to prepare me for my performance diploma when I was a teenager. It worked.

Disclaimer: I don't know anything about your technical level, and take no responsibility for any injuries you might incur on practicing the exercises.......


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I am a fan of the Dohnanyi exercises, they are tough but worthwhile.

Or work on something like the Schumann toccata for thirds and octaves, even at slower speed.

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Bennevis, This looks very interesting. I may have to buy it.

At the moment, I am only spending 20 minutes a day on Tech, and would like to have more time for Rep... so an etude isn't really right for me at this time. Ive played a few Ligeti etudes, and would like to do another of those one day... And have my eyes on a few Chopin Etudes. Maybe I should dip into the Chopin octave etude. My octaves are decent, but I have not spent much time perfecting them technically, just playing in Rep.

So right now its between Brahms Exercises, Bennevis' suggestion, or maybe the Chopin Octave etude (I love it so dearly)

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I think Ive decided folks, with your help.

I will be learning the Chopin Octave Etude, what is it 25-10?

And supplementing it with the Kullak Octave exercise book.

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(Don't look at the keyboard for any of the following suggestions)

One thing that has really helped me is to position the hand so that your thumb stays fixed to a certain white key and then play lots of combinations of notes in any order, rhythm, and speed. You are trying to "own" this position. Then shift your hand to the next note and repeat. Play hands separate and hands together. I can do this for hours and have really improved my playing. Also, (preferably at the end of your practice for the day) trill/tremolo between each pair of fingers. These techniques are great for improving playing that doesn't require certain wrist motions like arpeggios. However, you can add wrist motions to extend this method. Really the goal is: test yourself in as many situations as you can and fill in the gaps that you never learned well enough.

Also, for practicing harmony and chords, take a certain major key and play the following sequence every day until it becomes drilled into muscle memory:
I -> IV -> vii0 -> iii -> vi -> ii -> V -> I

you can do this in a minor key as well:
i -> iv -> VII -> III -> VI -> ii0 -> V -> i


There is a big difference between knowing something and being good at executing. One is conscious, the other is subconscious, and the path to the subconscious does not usually lead through the conscious.
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Brahms exercises are wonderful for technique, I'd vote for them, but they are etudes really, you said initially, "... but not etudes".

If you would like advanced exercises, Dohnanyi's somewhat stand out. They are plain nonmusical, but they cover very wide range of techniques in a very concentrated way.

Among books of exercises by great pianists I think the most well known are those by Cortot, Tausig and Joseffy. They are all available on IMSLP for free. Busoni also created exercises but these are very advanced.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Brahms exercises are wonderful for technique, I'd vote for them, but they are etudes really, you said initially, "... but not etudes".

If you would like advanced exercises, Dohnanyi's somewhat stand out. They are plain nonmusical, but they cover very wide range of techniques in a very concentrated way.

Among books of exercises by great pianists I think the most well known are those by Cortot, Tausig and Joseffy. They are all available on IMSLP for free. Busoni also created exercises but these are very advanced.

Could you name these Busoni exercises please ?

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Originally Posted by Tatum125s
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Could you name these Busoni exercises please ?

Here's Busoni's Op. 16 Etudes:

Busoni, Op. 16

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