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Hi Everybody,

The moment in my life has finally arrived where I'm ready to purchase my own piano. I'd like to get a large professional upright (50" and up) somewhere near the $10k mark that would lend itself well towards classical music, which is what I prefer to play. I don't know much about the different brands, but some searching around based on size and price point has suggested models made by Brodmann, Fridolin Schimmel, Heintzmann, Irmler, Kingsburg, Knabe, Palatino, Pearl River, Pramberger, Ritmuller, Samick, Seiler, Weber, Wilh. Steinberg, Wyman, Young Chang, and Zimmerman.

Obviously this is an overly exhaustive list. I would welcome any help in narrowing down the list to make it more manageable!! I'd like to "buy once cry once" on this one. Thanks in advance.

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I can't help you narrow it down, but I can help you make it bigger. I'd look at the Kawai K500 and K800, as well as the Yamaha U3. The K500 and U3 will come in right at or under your budget, the K800 would require a stretch.


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Pianobuyer.com is a wonderful resource.

You can narrow your list down considerably if you simply focus your attention on the brands listed under Consumer Grade - Professional and Premium. You may also find something used in your price range in the Performance Grade category.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/a-map-of-the-market-for-new-pianos-ratings/

There are detailed profiles on each major brand - along with pricing.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand-profiles/

And here are the "staff picks" for different size instruments.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/staff-picks-recommendations/

The pianos mentioned by MarkL above are all built in Japan and are of excellent quality.


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From Pianomart, the median price for 50"+ uprights is $2700. If it's a local piano with shipping fee that won't blow your budget, you should be able to get a nice one. So it seems that price is not the limiting factor but rather, what is available in your area?


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The quickest way to narrow down a list of pianos is to play them.

PianoBuyer and local availability will help you come up with a shortlist.


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Also consider the size of your room and if it will be placed camped or space around it, too big can cause problems.

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not sure what area you are from

Here is a list of dealers I have personally dealt with that are reliable

Cunningham Piano (Rich Galassini): Philadelphia, PA area

Faust-Harrison (Irving Faust): New York City area

Freeburg Pianos (Levi Freeburg): Hendersonville, North Carolina

Pianoworks (Sam Bennett): Atlanta, Georgia

Living Pianos (Robert Estrin): Cleveland, Ohio

Ric Cassman Pianos (Ric Overton): Berkley, CA.

Steinway Piano Gallery (Jared Daugherty): Charlotte, NC


other dealers that look reliable:

Pianocrafts: Maryland

Stillwell Pianos: Arizona

Hollywood Piano: LA, CA

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Aaron, I definitely want to echo Carey - if you haven’t checked out the PianoBuyer.com website, it is a wonderful resource.
Some initial questions — are you specifically interested in a new piano or are you also open to used pianos? What area of the country do you live in?

My strong advice is to play as many pianos that fit into your budget and space constraints as you can. I asked the question about location because I suspect that geography will be quite limiting until terms of the availability of some of these pianos in your area. My sense is that Schimmel, Brodmann, Bechstein (Zimmerman), and other manufacturers on your list do not have extensive dealership networks in the US. Also, if you live in a rural area, or a part of the country where there aren’t a lot of piano dealers, your search is going to be more complicated.

With regard to buying a preowned piano, this opens up a lot more possibilities. But if you start looking at the private sales market, it also requires that you invest a lot more time (both being willing to wait for the right piano to pop up, and the time involved in scouring the places people post these pianos). It also requires more effort on your part — setting up tech inspections, and you will ultimately need to arrange for the piano to be moved, etc.

I will repeat, my first step would be to play lots of pianos. Make a list of all the dealers near you, call (or email) for appointments and to let them know what you’re interested in looking at. Play as many pianos as you can.

I would add to your list Boston and Baldwin (as well as the Kawai and Yamaha mentioned before). But I think you will get a good sense of what you like more and what you like less when you start playing lots of pianos! Have fun, take your time, take notes, and good luck!

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For a particular budget, there's usually a trade off between size(height, in this case) and quality. By lowering your height to, for example, 48" you may be able to afford a better piano.

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check out this website

https://pianopricepoint.com/


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check out this website
https://pianopricepoint.com/
That site seems to list pianos according to their MSRP which is not relevant. My strong suggestion is to use the PianoBuyer website which is updated twice a year and lists SMP which is the only relevant figure. It also allows one to search for all piano using criteria like size, SMP, and assumed discount from SMP.

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Aaron
check out this website
https://pianopricepoint.com/
That site seems to list pianos according to their MSRP which is not relevant. My strong suggestion is to use the PianoBuyer website which is updated twice a year and lists SMP which is the only relevant figure. It also allows one to search for all piano using criteria like size, SMP, and assumed discount from SMP.

Pianoprice point also has articles but there is no attribution to the author. Pianobuyer clearly indicates the author— and they are well-respected industry professionals.


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I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet, but there’s a fun pricing database tool on the Pianobuyer.com site where you can plug in very specific parameters and it will spit out very specific results. You could specify size, a percentage discount from SMP pricing (try 20-25%) and then you can sort the results various ways:

https://www.pianobuyer.com/new-piano-pricing/

Much of what you are mentioning is more entry level and far below your budget. Also I would not ignore the 48” professional upright models automatically, based on size. Some specific recommendations, off the top of my head, that should be priced somewhere at or under $10k, new:

Yamaha U1
Kawai K300/400/500
Perzina 130
Hailun HU5
Ritmuller 121R (they’ve recently updated their model lineup, not sure of equivalent model)
Seiler ED 132 (including the magnetic action version)
maybe the Baldwin B252

Trolling through dealer inventories (call first to save time) and PianoMart listings, not to mention the classifieds here at Piano World could reveal higher end options that are used, but not too old (I would sort of arbitrarily say <20 years), and just within your budget. For example, I just sold a Schimmel 130T (not a sub-line, the German-made line) on this site for $9,800, which is arguably a better piano than the ones I listed above, subject to condition and of course without a warranty (private sale).

Hope this helps.


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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
I didn't realize we were 'comparing' websites?
I just added an additional one
I also think that PianoBuyer is decent but have found many scams on there as well.
(using pictures from a piano dealer and trying to sell a piano)So, buyer beware.
I was saying that the site you mentioned is IMO not a good place for the OP to get good information for the reason I stated and that Piano Buyer is far superior. Piano Buyer has ads from piano dealers but definitely no scams.

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I was speaking of personally finding multiple scams on PianoMart.
as much as I like it - they were verified scams
(People trying to sell pianos with pictures from a dealer I have direct contact with)

Larry Fine's - Piano Buyers is a whole different story
They are simply the BEST INFORMATION SITE on the web!

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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
I was speaking of personally finding multiple scams on PianoMart.
as much as I like it - they were verified scams
(People trying to sell pianos with pictures from a dealer I have direct contact with)

Larry Fine's - Piano Buyers is a whole different story
They are simply the BEST INFORMATION SITE on the web!


I don’t think that Pianobuyer and Pianomart are related businesses. Am I wrong? Pianomart appears to be owned by Joe Ross.


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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
I was speaking of personally finding multiple scams on PianoMart.
as much as I like it - they were verified scams
(People trying to sell pianos with pictures from a dealer I have direct contact with)

Larry Fine's - Piano Buyers is a whole different story
They are simply the BEST INFORMATION SITE on the web!
But your post said Piano Buyer and not PianoMart.

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Originally Posted by brdwyguy
I was speaking of personally finding multiple scams on PianoMart.
as much as I like it - they were verified scams
(People trying to sell pianos with pictures from a dealer I have direct contact with)

Larry Fine's - Piano Buyers is a whole different story
They are simply the BEST INFORMATION SITE on the web!


I don’t think that Pianobuyer and Pianomart are related businesses. Am I wrong? Pianomart appears to be owned by Joe Ross.
That is correct. There is no relation between the two. And Pianomart is still probably the best online site to look for used pianos for sale. There is also no way the owner of the site could check every ad although some ads indicate "verified seller".

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I'm going to have the administration remove that post
I typed the wrong web site - as noted - I meant Piano Mart NOT Piano Buyer

the admin will delete as as possible.

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