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Originally Posted by calebsmum
Thanks Lotus,
He's been playing for about 3 years now on an entry Casio 66 key keyboard, so he's ready for an upgrade for sure. He wants an acoustic or a console with 3 pedals. Due to moving quite a bit I'd prefer a digital, although acoustic would be grand. smile I'll take a look at your suggestions, some of which I'm familiar with but couldn't decide between. thank you.

You don't have to have a console to get three pedals. Some fairly portable digital pianos have dedicated stands with 3-pedal units:

https://www.kawai-global.com/product/es920/

The piano is about 37 lbs when lifted off the stand, making it a good choice for ease of moving.

The MP11SE comes with a 3-pedal unit that rests on the floor. It requires auxilliary powered speakers/monitors and stand for the piano, which may be a bit unwieldy, but it has a very good action for a portable digital piano, comparable or superior to many console digital pianos.

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Sweelinck, I believe it was the Kawai Ca79.
Lotus, thank you again for all of your help, I truly appreciate it! I'm leaning towards a category 2, but (and I know this might be unusual) I REALLY don't want one with bluetooth, and most of the new ones appear to have that feature. smirk

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You can turn off the bluetooth. Its main purpose is wireless midi communication such as if you want to play a VST piano on a tablet or smartphone or laptop using the piano as a midi controller. Not having to use a cable from the piano to the tablet/phone frees up the data/charging port to use for digital audio out or a charging cable.

If you have a digital piano without midi over bluetooth there are bluetooth FOBs that plug into a midi port on the piano, so I would not make having bluetooth a mandatory requirement. However, it will be useful over the life of the piano, so I would not try to avoid the feature.

Being able to run midi to a piano engine on a tablet or laptop will extend the life of the piano-- 5-10 years from now you can use a VST piano to have a more current digital piano sound.

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The actuon and sound engine of a MP11SE is similar to a CA79, but the CA79 is a step up: Grand Feel III action in the CA79 vs Grand Feel action in the MP11SE; and SK-EX and HI-XL piano engines are in the CA79, but only the HI-XL engine is in the MP11SE.

Nonetheless, I think there are alot of similarities. The MP11SE does not include an amp or speakers or stand so it is a bit more complex of a configuration, but slso much more portable.

The ES920 has virtually the same piano rngine as the MP11SE (both are HI-XL, but a minor feature or two may have been added to the ES920). The RHIII action of the ES920 is a step down from the Grand Feel action of the MP11SE. The ES920 is much more portable, and has amp and speakers built in.

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Calebsmum, most manufacturers nowadays have an app that controls settings and adds features to their digital pianos. The app, running on a phone, is linked to the piano via Bluetooth or a cable.

You don't have to use the app -- with or without Bluetooth -- to simply play the piano. It is just for convenient control of settings or features without adding more buttons and knobs to the piano itself. Even if these tech features are of no use to you, they may help with resale value later.

Please be aware of the unusual inventory situation at present due to supply chain disruptions. I just looked at Kraft Music's and Sweetwater's websites and found the Kawai ES920, Roland FP90X and Yamaha P-515 to be out of stock.

You may want to call them and other retailers to get an idea when they will be available, as this may affect your choice of one model over another, especially if you have a set purchase date in mind.
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Originally Posted by Lotus1
Please be aware of the unusual inventory situation at present due to supply chain disruptions. I just looked at Kraft Music's and Sweetwater's websites and found the Kawai ES920, Roland FP90X and Yamaha P-515 to be out of stock.

You may want to call them and other retailers to get an idea when they will be available, as this may affect your choice of one model over another, especially if you have a set purchase date in mind.
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I ordered an ES920 yesterday from Sweetwater and was told mid to late November. FYI, it will replace an old Yamaha P60 which will now be relegated to stage use.


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Steve Chandler, have you received your new kawai and what is your opinion?
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well, that figures. I'm moving and don't know into what, so I decided on the Kawai ES8 based on excellent reviews and portability. Now I find out I can't find one because they've been replaced. arrghhh...Does anyone recommend something similar? the Es 520 and 920 don't seem to have the same great reviews and they also are more 'stage' oriented than we want.

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Originally Posted by calebsmum
well, that figures. I'm moving and don't know into what, so I decided on the Kawai ES8 based on excellent reviews and portability. Now I find out I can't find one because they've been replaced. arrghhh...Does anyone recommend something similar? the Es 520 and 920 don't seem to have the same great reviews and they also are more 'stage' oriented than we want.

They replaced ES8 and widened the range with two pianos instead of one.
Other competitor are Roland FP90 And Yamaha P515. Cheaper is Roland FP60.

Roland now should be fp60x but I am not sure whether fp90 has X also (X are never versions).

Look also at Dexibell company.

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Originally Posted by calebsmum
well, that figures. I'm moving and don't know into what, so I decided on the Kawai ES8 based on excellent reviews and portability. Now I find out I can't find one because they've been replaced. arrghhh...Does anyone recommend something similar? the Es 520 and 920 don't seem to have the same great reviews and they also are more 'stage' oriented than we want.

The ES8 replacement is the ES920. Here's a review I wrote of it:
https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/review-kawai-es920/


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thanks Maucycy and terminaldegree. I really prefer the more streamlined, piano look of the es8 over the bulkier, stage keyboard look of the es920, and I know he will too. He wants something as close to an acoustic as possible, and all of the add ons don't quite capture that. smirk Maybe I'll take another look at the es520.

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Note that the ES520 action is worse than the ES920 and ES8.

The ES920 is not bulkier looking than the ES8 at all-- I had both set up, side by side, in my living room when I wrote that Piano Buyer review. It is different looking, with more plastic and less metal. It has the same action as the ES8 and slightly better speakers.


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Sorry, had to say my brain misunderstood the thread title to mean that a piano was searching for it's teenage son, like broken English in a dramatic movie scene, with all the other pianos in the forest piano tribe looking to their piano leader for guidance, and him assuring them that he will indeed search for the missing teenage piano.

Pixar, are you listening?

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Originally Posted by An Old Square
Sorry, had to say my brain misunderstood the thread title to mean that a piano was searching for it's teenage son, like broken English in a dramatic movie scene, with all the other pianos in the forest piano tribe looking to their piano leader for guidance, and him assuring them that he will indeed search for the missing teenage piano.

Pixar, are you listening?
Now THAT is Academy Award material !!!


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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by An Old Square
Sorry, had to say my brain misunderstood the thread title to mean that a piano was searching for it's teenage son, like broken English in a dramatic movie scene, with all the other pianos in the forest piano tribe looking to their piano leader for guidance, and him assuring them that he will indeed search for the missing teenage piano.

Pixar, are you listening?
Now THAT is Academy Award material !!!


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Please be aware of the unusual inventory situation at present due to supply chain disruptions. I just looked at Kraft Music's and Sweetwater's websites and found the Kawai ES920, Roland FP90X and Yamaha P-515 to be out of stock.

You may want to call them and other retailers to get an idea when they will be available, as this may affect your choice of one model over another, especially if you have a set purchase date in mind.
All the best!
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I ordered an ES920 yesterday from Sweetwater and was told mid to late November. FYI, it will replace an old Yamaha P60 which will now be relegated to stage use.

Hi, i sold my ES920 due to loud keyboard across the entire keyboard. It's unacceptable loud when im doing live recording. With heardphone? I still notice. And replaced with Roland FP-90X.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
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Originally Posted by An Old Square
Sorry, had to say my brain misunderstood the thread title to mean that a piano was searching for it's teenage son, like broken English in a dramatic movie scene, with all the other pianos in the forest piano tribe looking to their piano leader for guidance, and him assuring them that he will indeed search for the missing teenage piano.

Pixar, are you listening?
Now THAT is Academy Award material !!!


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thank you jojovan! Good to know.
anoldsquare... ha ha ha laugh

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Note that the ES520 action is worse than the ES920 and ES8.

The ES920 is not bulkier looking than the ES8 at all-- I had both set up, side by side, in my living room when I wrote that Piano Buyer review. It is different looking, with more plastic and less metal. It has the same action as the ES8 and slightly better speakers.

Hmmm.... it looked quite different in the pics. He just doesn't want one that looks like a stage keyboard.

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Originally Posted by calebsmum
thank you jojovan! Good to know.
anoldsquare... ha ha ha laugh

I meab loud keybed (typo error on previous post). But sounded really good esp the warm SK. Have fun.

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