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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Rubinstein#/media/File:Anton_Rubinstein_playing.jpg

ideally the goal is to get posture similar to Horowitz, or the posture in this photo...

What can I work on more here? I'm assuming relax my shoulders more and maybe bring in my arms a bit closer? It's improved a lot since september, I can send a before photo if needed. But, I really am curious on how my body will grow into this? Does it just happen from being aware of it over time?

Also, a lot of cross over from good form on deadlift in weighlifting and piano playing posture seems to exist to me?

Is it a good idea to kind of squeeze my shoulder blade back or pulll them back a bit in a relaxed way (sort of like doing a cable row, or geting a good arch on bench press) or like think you are trying to squeeze a pencil btn. your traps? Is that a good strategy


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Hi, Pablo! When trying to mimic the pose of your idols, you looks tense in the upper body. I would like to see you talking at the piano, as you can see Rubinstein and his natural transitions from playing to talking and back.
You should look for your natural position in yourself - with the help of a specialist, not in a video. In my words, I describe it as a feeling that the head wants to fly upward and forward, and the body spreads out in width.

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What is important is to find a position that works for you. Imitating others is not necessarily a good idea. Your upper body is too rigid, relax .....

Your hand mouvement, to play these chords you need to use your wrist and upper arm in a relaxed manner instead of pushing with your fingers. You are going to injure yourself if you always play with so much tension.


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As long as you're sitting straight and your hands are resting in a relaxed way on the keys. If you have a teacher, he/she would make suggestions.

Instead of just using the hands & arms to play, a pro pianist also sway his/her body occasionally & naturally like a pendulum and use the weight of the body to play loud instead of putting stress on the hands.

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An. Rubinstein was known to have one of the most unusual postures in all piano world, it was known as a 'jockey posture'. That's how it actually looked like when he played:

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/128901/223867995.21/0_1492af_3b2f4780_XL.jpg

The posture of Horowitz was very unusual in his own way. Obviously you can't sit like Rubinstein and Horowitz at the same time. And you don't need to sit like anyone of them really...

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
An. Rubinstein was known to have one of the most unusual postures in all piano world, it was known as a 'jockey posture'. That's how it actually looked like when he played:

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/128901/223867995.21/0_1492af_3b2f4780_XL.jpg

The posture of Horowitz was very unusual in his own way. Obviously you can't sit like Rubinstein and Horowitz at the same time. And you don't need to sit like anyone of them really...

Make what is impossible, possible seems to apply well in that case.


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Here's how the hands should appear before depressing a key; from Hélène de Montgeroult (1820). Her technique was heavily influenced by the clavichord though that doesn't show here. [Linked Image]


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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
An. Rubinstein was known to have one of the most unusual postures in all piano world, it was known as a 'jockey posture'. That's how it actually looked like when he played:

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/128901/223867995.21/0_1492af_3b2f4780_XL.jpg

The posture of Horowitz was very unusual in his own way. Obviously you can't sit like Rubinstein and Horowitz at the same time. And you don't need to sit like anyone of them really...

Make what is impossible, possible seems to apply well in that case.
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What I could do with is that Zen master who wacks you on the shoulders every time you slouch.


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Originally Posted by pablobear

What can I work on more here?

If you can comfortably practice for around 90 mins, with minimal breaking / pausing without having developed any obvious discomfort or strain anywhere, then your posture should be just fine.
Being too rigid / tight / stiff in your lower back upward will impede lateral movement very low and high... but you'll know if you get up and you can feel it in your back...

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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Here's how the hands should appear before depressing a key; from Hélène de Montgeroult (1820). Her technique was heavily influenced by the clavichord though that doesn't show here. [Linked Image]

It looks as if her first joints are almost collapsed. Is this really correct?


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They are not collapsed. In fact they may be about to curve a little more. It depends what she's up to.


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Horowitz's posture only works for him, since he has very unique hands. It is pointless to blindly mimic other's postures without understanding why the postures worked for them. Everyone is different.

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If you get a chance to read through Arnold Schultz' Riddle of the Pianist's Finger' you'll find it to be a long and 'scientific' essay in support of Horowitz' technique, unique though it was.


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If you have a chance to read the book "What Every Pianist Needs to Know About the Body", you will quickly find blindly follow Horowitz' technique can easily lead to injury.
Anything without experimental evidence should not be called "scientific", those are "opinions".

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Pablobear sadly seems to have disappeared from Piano World.


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Originally Posted by scientistplayspian
If you have a chance to read the book "What Every Pianist Needs to Know About the Body", you will quickly find blindly follow Horowitz' technique can easily lead to injury.
Anything without experimental evidence should not be called "scientific", those are "opinions".
No. Horowitz' technique cannot lead to injury. I assume you haven't read Riddle of the Pianist's Finger. It's an extremely well researched book (unlike What Every Pianist Needs to Know About the Body which just a copy of What Every Musician Needs to Know About the Body which is a better book).

Maybe Pablobear is practicing? No bad thing.


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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Maybe Pablobear is practicing? No bad thing.

Licking his wounds is more likely.


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I'm more positive . May be he's learning a piece the whole way through!


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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Maybe Pablobear is practicing? No bad thing.

Licking his wounds is more likely.

Happilly people are persistent, otherwise not much would get done if everyone gives up because of a few comments.


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