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Feduk revived a year old thread to post a spammy link— that says it al, doesn’t it?


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Sometimes it's nice having year-old threads revived, when I missed them first time round. The question is as relevant now as it was then.

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Social Media influences all young people. Many people think that it’s a negative influence, but I disagree with that since there are a lot of social media sources that are really valuable.

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TikTok is probably the most influential today since people of all ages use it. You can find everything on it, and I think that it is amazing.


Everything? Examples?

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I started my TikTok channel, and at first, I struggled a lot. I was able to gain only 68 followers, and I had to increase the number. I was able to find a website XXX deleted link where I was able to get free TikTok followers and likes. It’s really helped me out, and my channel started to grow.

It reads as though your primary aim was to garner more followers. How has that and the "growth" of your channel helped?

As you can probably guess, I don't subscribe to any social media. I avoid them intentionally.

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Since this thread got revived by a spammer and I didn't see it before:

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Since I grew up in a rural town far away from any classical music scene, my piano education came entirely through YouTube. I assume this is true of most people of my generation. My appreciation of Sokolov and Hamelin probably wouldn't have happened without their YouTube followings. I don't think I know anything about what goes on in social media circles with regards to classical music.

I'm a lot older. In my teen years start at 12, my parents moved to a rural area and there was nothing. My piano education consisted of two handed down books and a never-tuned piano. The sound of honky tonk makes me nostalgic. smile I have been catching up like mad due to the Internet, and the wealth of good information is phenomenal. So I'm with you. thumb

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But I believe that for many (most?) people, social media is where they get most of their information of the world, including the musical world.

No! I am on social media to connect with my friends and family, and it truly enriches my social life. Only very few of my friends and family live within visiting distance.
Information of the world I get mainly through watching and listening to the news, and reading newspapers. Wikipedia if I want to learn more about something.

On social media, you can get just titbits; occasionally a bit more.


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I may be wrong, but I think that Feduk, the person who revived this old thread, is one of those clever bots, and not a real person. All for the purpose of getting someone to click on the link in "his" post...

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Originally Posted by Sam S
I may be wrong, but I think that Feduk, the person who revived this old thread, is one of those clever bots, and not a real person. All for the purpose of getting someone to click on the link in "his" post...

You may be quite right Sam! But do bots edit? Or is editing part of their smartness?

But now that it got a revival, why not discuss the question. smile


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I'd completely forgotten about this thread........well, thirteen months is a long time in unsocial media, and anyway, I'm in good company (- Beethoven forgot he ever composed WoO 80, and said it was composed by an idiot), so I'll spare myself a proper memory test, and attribute my memory lapse to my young age (still on the right side of 100 until December 25th).

But I digress - two items on the news today (on TV of course, not social media) caught my attention: the rise in 'cancel culture' (oddly, the BBC - or its editors - misspelled it as 'cancer culture', which is probably even more appropriate) fanned entirely by social media, which threatens stand-up comedy; and the crazy amounts a certain celebrated footballer (i.e. soccer player) earns with each Instagram post he makes: £1.2 million or USD 1,500,000. Yes, you read that right. Apparently, all he has to do is mention in passing a perfume or brand of toothpaste he uses, and he'll get paid an amount most of us will never earn in a lifetime. Obviously, he has zillions of adoring, uncritical (other adjectives are available) fans around the world who hang on his every word. So, he could even say that he plays Minuet in B# major (even if he can't actually play Twinkle Twinkle in C major with one finger) by the great composer Bacbeetzart on his Steinyamafaz baby grand (other brands are available), and he'll make Bacbeetzart world-famous, and sell out Steinyamafaz pianos around the world.

On the other hand, perhaps classical music is immune to all this silliness, and no wannabe non-virtuoso can be a YT/Tik Tok Chok/Instagram sensation unless he/she is actually a.......virtuoso??



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Everyone is influenced by social media to a certain degree, whether we like it or not, because new emerging trends tend to spread like wildfire and migrate to all social networks. Even those who pride themselves on not having an account on Facebook or TicTok will eventually see the content from these platforms on Reddit, for example. Nowadays, everyone can create hype and become the next sensation - all you have to do is amass enough followers and likes, and there are even sites that offer them for free - check this out. Given that the advertising market is based on the current trends from social media, and you can't escape advertising - it's next to impossible not to be influenced by social media.

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In short, not at all. I see so much crud posted on Facebook I take everything with a pinch of salt now. But I hate how social media has influenced people away from forums like this. Can we go back to pre-facebook dats please?
I get more useful information from Instagram now because I can tailor the feed to coincide with my interests. And there are quite a few influential young musicians on there. Some quite amazing people.


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Many people including myself would spend time on social media. Besides reading the news from mainstream sources, avoid getting into politics. There is a lot of news and also a lot of "fake" news. I'd go to the links for music performances & playing tutorials posted by teachers & other musicians. It's a good place for learning anything from how to use foot pedals, metronome to playing chords.

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Try as we might to avoid it, it is a subliminal seduction and very difficult to avoid unless totally out of touch. We don't love Kellogg's Frosted Flakes because it is absolutely the best tasting or healthiest breakfast cereal, we love it because they had the best advertising campaign when we were growing up and Tony the Tiger says they're Great! We were brain-washed.

There is the good, the bad and the ugly in terms of influence social media and advertising can have on us. But, to say we are not influenced at all by it, is doubtful. This forum is also a form of social media and group think tanks have the potential of not always being the most positive influence for us as well as they don't always offer a balanced perspective, if the group all begins to think alike. Steve Jobs warned about this in one of his talks I recall.

Knowing how gullible we actually are though, is good to know and can help us to avoid at least the most ugly parts.

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No I liked Kellogs Frosties before they were nice. No brainwashing was involved.Cheap ones aren't the same.

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