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Originally Posted by dhts
Do you mean left to right as you sit at the keyboard? Just wobbled mine having had it for 18months and daily usage and yes there’s some movement but I’ve never once noticed until today.
Yes, exactly, side-to-side motion. I’m quite sensitive to the keys moving in my vision and it may give me motion sickness. I don’t know if the wobble in mine is due to the light keyboard on there, unevenness of the floor or something else.

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Also @dhts and @Mickey, what is the length of the exposed chrome tubing when the stand is correctly extended to fit the MP11SE correctly? It’d be useful to set it up ready so I can pop it straight on after unboxing rather than having to fiddle with it.

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Originally Posted by Quatschmacher
Also @dhts and @Mickey, what is the length of the exposed chrome tubing when the stand is correctly extended to fit the MP11SE correctly? It’d be useful to set it up ready so I can pop it straight on after unboxing rather than having to fiddle with it.

That’s what I call planning ahead. 38.6cm.

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Also @dhts and @Mickey, what is the length of the exposed chrome tubing when the stand is correctly extended to fit the MP11SE correctly? It’d be useful to set it up ready so I can pop it straight on after unboxing rather than having to fiddle with it.

That’s what I call planning ahead. 38.6cm.
Thank you!

It’s a bit frustrating - I’ve had the thing in my house for about ten days now but there’s no way I can lift this alone.

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Originally Posted by Quatschmacher
....does the LG-800 stand exhibit any lateral motion when the MP11SE is on it? I just got that stand at the weekend and it has loads of lateral motion when my 10kg synth is on it at 1m width. Haven’t had chance to unbox the MP11SE yet as I am waiting for someone to help me carry it upstairs. Just wondering if the added weight helps to keep it from bouncing around. It’ll make me seasick if it moves like it does currently.

Such a shame there is no dedicated stand for these. @Kawai James, if there’s ever a successor to the MP11SE, please could you ask the designers to create a stable dedicated stand/stage legs.

Sorry to post on a 9-month old thread, but this thread was one that I used when making purchasing decisions about a stand for my MP11SE, I can imagine others doing the same in the future.

For me (and I'm no Jerry Lee Lewis, in terms of pounding the piano hard), the MP11SE + LG-800 combination is noticeably wobbly. Not to the point where I think the keyboard is going to sail off the stand and crash to the floor, but enough to distract me as I practice.

I like the looks and functionality (in terms of ease of assembly) of the Yamaha stand, and I'll probably try to figure out some way to anchor the upper portion of it to the wall behind it to reduce the lateral motion. Or maybe look for some other fix.

If I were buying today, based on my experience, I'd probably take a chance on the K&M 18950, even though I don't like the fact that it's not the full width of the keyboard, and that it looks like something you'd see in a woodworking shop holding up a table saw.

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Originally Posted by Quatschmacher
....does the LG-800 stand exhibit any lateral motion when the MP11SE is on it? I just got that stand at the weekend and it has loads of lateral motion when my 10kg synth is on it at 1m width. Haven’t had chance to unbox the MP11SE yet as I am waiting for someone to help me carry it upstairs. Just wondering if the added weight helps to keep it from bouncing around. It’ll make me seasick if it moves like it does currently.

Such a shame there is no dedicated stand for these. @Kawai James, if there’s ever a successor to the MP11SE, please could you ask the designers to create a stable dedicated stand/stage legs.

Sorry to post on a 9-month old thread, but this thread was one that I used when making purchasing decisions about a stand for my MP11SE, I can imagine others doing the same in the future.

For me (and I'm no Jerry Lee Lewis, in terms of pounding the piano hard), the MP11SE + LG-800 combination is noticeably wobbly. Not to the point where I think the keyboard is going to sail off the stand and crash to the floor, but enough to distract me as I practice.

I like the looks and functionality (in terms of ease of assembly) of the Yamaha stand, and I'll probably try to figure out some way to anchor the upper portion of it to the wall behind it to reduce the lateral motion. Or maybe look for some other fix.

If I were buying today, based on my experience, I'd probably take a chance on the K&M 18950, even though I don't like the fact that it's not the full width of the keyboard, and that it looks like something you'd see in a woodworking shop holding up a table saw.

It could really do with some cross-braces like most stage-piano legs.

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I bought the On-Stage KS360 Heavy Duty Folding-Z Keyboard Stand for my MP11SE and I'm happy with its stability.


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To follow up, I ended up using some plumbing hardware to fasten the Yamaha LG-800 stand into the wall. Not the most elegant or convenient solution, but cheap and effective. The lateral motion seems to be gone, based on a quick test.

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As to the K&M 18950, I found a video online of a keyboard stand that looks to be of a very similar design, the Stagg MXS - A1 (a much cheaper stand actually, probably due to manufacturing costs in Germany vs. China, and possibly to higher quality materials or engineering with K&M), and the video shows the stand in action with a keyboard that is comparable in weight to the MP11SE. The design seems quite stable out of the box.


The Z stand design looks good too, though I had trouble finding any video that showed it being put to the stability test.

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I made my own stand for my ES920 using standard 2" lumber. Not high end furniture but very sturdy, inexpensive and you can tailor the height and color for your preference. Not portable.

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Originally Posted by TBell
I made my own stand for my ES920 using standard 2" lumber. Not high end furniture but very sturdy, inexpensive and you can tailor the height and color for your preference. Not portable.

That looks like it gets the job done! If I had a workspace and the woodworking tools, I might have gone that route myself.

One final comment on commercial stands, the Stagg MXS - A1 stand I mentioned above gets pretty mediocre reviews on Amazon in terms of build quality. Maybe you get what you pay for, vis-a-vis Stagg vs. the German-made K&M 18950.

My main takeaway from all this is that the Yamaha LG-800 stand is relatively elegant, which isn't nothing, but functionally inadequate for a heavy keyboard like the MP11SE, and the Yamaha's price is ridiculous when you take all this into account. Live and learn.

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Just as a crazy idea, I found this thing by accident:

Dutchgrand

Here is the list of compatible stage pianos:

https://dutchgrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/compatible-models.pdf

Disadvantages: it is rather expensive, you cannot open the lid, you cannot attach the pedal device.

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Another crazy idea: build one yourself.
I made a MP11 stand from a 5 cm x 5 cm x 6 m square tubing and caster wheels plus some soldering. I am on travel now, so I can't post a real image of the stand. Anyway, as I designed the stand on tinkercad, I can share it in some way (kind of).
With the dimensions provided in the images, the keys of the MP11 are at the same height as CL35's. I don't know if this would fit to an MP11SE because in the SE edition of the piano Kawai could have moved the rubber feet, and perhaps caster wheels are no standard in their size. The ones I used have the top square plate of 50 mm x 50 mm. If the stand is painted and appropiate square inserts are added, it looks decent (not as good as a professional one, but it has wheels...)

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Is that TinkerCAD? I’ve used that but moved on to Fusion 360.

I bet you could 3D print all those parts but it would take FOREVER!!!!!

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Another crazy idea: build one yourself.
I made a MP11 stand from a 5 cm x 5 cm x 6 m square tubing and caster wheels plus some soldering. I am on travel now, so I can't post a real image of the stand. Anyway, as I designed the stand on tinkercad, I can share it in some way (kind of).
With the dimensions provided in the images, the keys of the MP11 are at the same height as CL35's. I don't know if this would fit to an MP11SE because in the SE edition of the piano Kawai could have moved the rubber feet, and perhaps caster wheels are no standard in their size. The ones I used have the top square plate of 50 mm x 50 mm. If the stand is painted and appropiate square inserts are added, it looks decent (not as good as a professional one, but it has wheels...)


You don't need to cut steel to make that. Just use aluminum extrusions:

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Much easier to cut!


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Indeed, after trying a highly-rated but wobbly Z-stand, I didn't want to risk ordering another dud, and decided to the DIY route for as cheap as I could while still making it look somewhat like a piece of furniture and sturdy. My DIY skills are very minimal, so maybe this can work for someone else too.

Living in a tiny Brooklyn apartment I didn't want something too visually intrusive (the MP11SE is big enough as it is), so I wanted to channel something a bit like a Rhodes with thin legs but maybe a little more unique.

So I basically decided to find a slab of wood that would be sturdy but thin enough to fit cleanly under the MP11SE such that it wasn't visible most angles, and add four hairpin legs to it.

My neighbor happened to have a ~40x18x0.75" slab of birch plywood, and I ordered these 24-inch "golden" hairpin legs which seemed sturdy enough. There are other colors, and the gold is really more of a glittery dark yellow, so in hindsight I might've gotten black or silver, but I still like the contrast.

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I need to tidy up a little more, but honestly, I'm super happy with how it turned out. This isn't the aesthetic everyone is going for, but I like it. The key height ended up at a perfect 28.5" too; the table rests on the base of the MP11SE rather than the rubber feet. From the base (not including the feet) to the top of the keys is roughly 3.5 inches. If you don't like hairpin legs, there are plenty of other styles out there.

Once I got all the parts, it took me about 20 minutes to assemble. Note that there is still a little wobble -- much less than the Z-stand, let alone an X stand -- but pushing it up against the wall solved that. If it were fully free standing, I might add some cross bracing.

As a surprise bonus, if push the keyboard forward a couple of inches, there's a bit of a 'lip' on the table I can use for cable management, so it helps keep the VST setup cleaner. Since the MP11SE is up against a wall, this lip isn't visible.

Anyway, just an alternative to consider. It's barely any more effort than assembling a regular stand =].

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