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What a lovely, lovely instrument! Congratulations! It sounds wonderful and seems to be pretty much in tune. I know what it is to have a piano that makes you dream.


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What a lovely, lovely instrument! Congratulations! It sounds wonderful and seems to be pretty much in tune. I know what it is to have a piano that makes you dream.

Thanks so much! Dreams, visions, inspirations…all flow so much more easily from an instrument the more you can connect with it.

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Originally Posted by chromaticvortex
Yeah, that'd be interesting to know the weighting. I should get some of those key weights myself so I can compare.

Sorry about the delay. Here's what I have:

C0: 51g
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Middle C: 46g
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C8: 43g
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This is with the weights at the edge of the white keys, damper pedal depressed, and tapping the bottom of the keybed gently/repeatedly to encourage the weight to drop, down to the letoff. I think C0 could be a gram or two lighter, this was just a quick take.


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Nice! I’ll have to buy some of those. More pics of the piano.

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I've been meaning to get a nice set of weights. thumb


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Speaking of "nice set of weights," if anyone has a brand to recommend (and where to buy them), I'd appreciate it. I looked on Amazon, but found nothing that had consistently great recommendations. Seems like most of the ones there have problems with consistency of the weights (poor quality control).


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I ordered mine from Howard Piano Industries. They're brass and quite well made. How accurate are they? Who knows, do you trust the weights or your scale? smile


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I ordered mine from Howard Piano Industries. They're brass and quite well made. How accurate are they? Who knows, do you trust the weights or your scale? smile

Thank you. I'll look into these.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I ordered mine from Howard Piano Industries. They're brass and quite well made. How accurate are they? Who knows, do you trust the weights or your scale? smile

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Thanks for comments and suggestions. Key Weights

These look fine. $50 though. Can't I do better? Surely someone has some for like $10. Seems like a lot for some brass.

Okay here we go: https://www.howardpianoindustries.com/gram-weights-brass/

Directly from Howard, they're $30. Not bad.

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People also use stacks of pennies or nickels. You just have to have a scale to weigh them (and maybe for the cost of the scale, you could have gotten the brass weights laugh )


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
People also use stacks of pennies or nickels. You just have to have a scale to weigh them (and maybe for the cost of the scale, you could have gotten the brass weights laugh )

I have used Pennies and nickels to measure, assigning a weight of 2.5 gm and 5.0 gm, respectively


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I got together some coins and stuff. On my 225, C8 seems like about 50g. I'll have to find some more coins to get enough to weigh lower down the keyboard.

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I’m going to do the coin thing but I can’t seem to find any coins lol.

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Also, sorry I’m late to the party!! Beautiful piano.

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Squeaky bench may be part rubbing (from experience Lol)
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Thanks!

Of course it's hard to describe the touch of this piano. I've read that Bosendorfer has a faster action than Steinway (sometimes increasing the appeal for jazz players). Maybe someone else can chime in and share what they know about that. From a recent article I read, a Steinway has a very fast action, but not as fast as Bosendorfer, making Steinway more ideal for Classical, because it's easier to control during fast passages. Meanwhile, the Bosendorfer action is faster, making it a little harder to control for fast passages, but more suitable for jazz.

I'm still not sure how to interpret the meaning of all this. But to the degree that I'm a Classical player, Bosendorfer is much to my liking -- and also to the extent that I'm a jazz player. But I do notice the faster action, and I can see how in some ways it's harder to control but also has its advantages (compared e.g. to a Steinway). Maybe the advantage is that you instantly get sound out of it upon attack -- but it gives you very strong feedback for little input? One thing I noticed was that it's extremely responsive to what you do to it. A little change gives a big result in output, so I've done a lot of practicing soft and smoothly, I think this instrument really benefits from that kind of attentive playing. It requires a fairly sculpted approach to technique and sound production in some ways (not sure quite how to put this into words).

Here's another feeble attempt by me to capture the tonal possibilities of this instrument through improvisatory experimentation. I swapped out the noisy bench for a slightly less noisy one (that still creaks). Surely there's some tightening or adjusting I can do to cut down on that. Still the microphone isn't the best (it's just a single mic, I think ideally you get two, but it is what it is), and I'm waiting to hear from the technician about tuning, etc. Thanks for checking it out.


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Originally Posted by chromaticvortex
From a recent article I read, a Steinway has a very fast action, but not as fast as Bosendorfer, making Steinway more ideal for Classical, because it's easier to control during fast passages. Meanwhile, the Bosendorfer action is faster, making it a little harder to control for fast passages, but more suitable for jazz.
I think that article makes little sense. For starters, although many parameters of an action can and have been measured, I've never heard of anyone ever mentioning the speed of an action. But more importantly, isn't control as important for jazz pianists as for classical pianists? And don't classical pianists have to play passages that are equally fast as jazz pianists?

Where did you read the article you mention?

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From a recent article I read, a Steinway has a very fast action, but not as fast as Bosendorfer, making Steinway more ideal for Classical, because it's easier to control during fast passages. Meanwhile, the Bosendorfer action is faster, making it a little harder to control for fast passages, but more suitable for jazz.
I think that article makes little sense. For starters, although many parameters of an action can and have been measured, I've never heard of anyone ever mentioning the speed of an action. But more importantly, isn't control as important for jazz pianists as for classical pianists? And don't classical pianists have to play passages that are equally fast as jazz pianists?

Where did you read the article you mention?

Steinway patented their accelerated action in 1930 (marketed as a faster version of their older action). It consisted of the following two patents: the shape of the balance rail (where the keys rest on) and the place where the keys are weighted. It doesn't have to do with the action parts themselves. But the action is known for being faster due to its design, apparently. I've heard action speed discussed a fair bit, fwiw.

The article I mentioned is this one: https://msteinert.com/blog/steinway-vs-bosendorfer-which-is-the-better-piano-for-me/

Interestingly, it's a rather biased article from a shop that sells Steinways (and not Bosendorfers), and ultimately the message is that Steinway is the better brand. But, I think it does an okay job of talking about some objective comparisons between the pianos as well.

As for this theory about faster action being preferred by jazz pianists? I don't think it's about the speed of the passages being played (both genres play fast passages). I think it's about the control that is needed. I.e. jazz pianists might not need as much control? Maybe that's right.

Because classical musicians cannot afford to lose control when playing (this would equate to messing up) whereas for a jazz pianist, where so much is improvised, some relative loss of control might be more acceptable if it means that something is gained in terms of being able to express quickly and easily on the spot.

I can attest to the fact that Bosendorfer can easily give a bright/brilliant tone in the treble, which jazz musicians are known to like as well...

But maybe some of this is genuinely BS. That's one reason I'm curious to discuss it. I'm interested in what the differences are between pianos and why people prefer certain things, etc. It's intriguing to me.

Here's another article (where action speed is mentioned for each piano): https://www.musicindustryhowto.com/steinway-vs-bosendorfer/

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