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Originally Posted by LarryK
My point was that electric motors have far fewer parts than internal combustion engines and require far less maintenance. Internal combustion engines will become a thing of the past. I will not miss them.

I am not an engine specialist, but you are certainly right. On the other hand, there is more complexity around battery management, so all in all, an electric car is probably just as complex and raises its own maintenance challenges, though different ones in different areas.

Unhapilly with the current technology we have, there are just as many issues with electric cars as with combustion cars, when talking mass production, though of different nature. Lets hope that technological progress will address the issues or that another technology will come in.


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Then spend about $50,000 on a Tesla. NO thanks for a car that dies in the winter and you gotta find a charging station each time you run out of battery.

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Then spend about $50,000 on a Tesla. NO thanks for a car that dies in the winter and you gotta find a charging station each time you run out of battery.

I did. It is the best car I have ever bought.

You keep it plugged in at home and it does not die in winter. Guys in Canada keep them outside and do just fine. They heat them for 15 minutes and drive away. I don’t want to say how many times ICE cars have failed me in winter.

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My point was that electric motors have far fewer parts than internal combustion engines and require far less maintenance. Internal combustion engines will become a thing of the past. I will not miss them.

I am not an engine specialist, but you are certainly right. On the other hand, there is more complexity around battery management, so all in all, an electric car is probably just as complex and raises its own maintenance challenges, though different ones in different areas.

Unhapilly with the current technology we have, there are just as many issues with electric cars as with combustion cars, when talking mass production, though of different nature. Lets hope that technological progress will address the issues or that another technology will come in.

The maintenance is significantly less than an ICE car. I have one fluid, windshield washer fluid. The battery is a 500k mile battery. It will outlive me. It will lose some capacity in twenty years but so what.

It is not one battery anyway, it is thousands of cells.

Electric motors are dead simple.

Charging stations are everywhere in the US. My car has a 300+ mile range.

And, it drives itself. It is no contest, as far as I am concerned.

It will do 0-60mph in 3.7s, and it does not pollute, obviously.

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Originally Posted by LarryK
It is not one battery anyway, it is thousands of cells.

Electric motors are dead simple.

Charging stations are everywhere in the US. My car has a 300+ mile range.

And, it drives itself. It is no contest, as far as I am concerned.

It will do 0-60mph in 3.7s, and it does not pollute, obviously.

Yes and there is a complex set of components to make them work, some have a cooling system, some have a heating systems, fuses, high voltage connectors, lots of sensor and of course a battery management system controller.

It does not pollute the air but it does raise a number of issues and using raw materials that are in short supply. Lets hope the new generation of batteries will solve the problems.

Fact is that we are over consuming the capabilities of the planet. That be electric or carbon based.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/20/electric-car-batteries-what-happens-to-them


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Understandable.

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We aren’t at the point with 100% clean energy though but then it will be good.

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by LarryK
It is not one battery anyway, it is thousands of cells.

Electric motors are dead simple.

Charging stations are everywhere in the US. My car has a 300+ mile range.

And, it drives itself. It is no contest, as far as I am concerned.

It will do 0-60mph in 3.7s, and it does not pollute, obviously.

Yes and there is a complex set of components to make them work, some have a cooling system, some have a heating systems, fuses, high voltage connectors, lots of sensor and of course a battery management system controller.

It does not pollute the air but it does raise a number of issues and using raw materials that are in short supply. Lets hope the new generation of batteries will solve the problems.

Fact is that we are over consuming the capabilities of the planet. That be electric or carbon based.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/20/electric-car-batteries-what-happens-to-them
I mean-you use those huge diesel vehicles to mine the batteries.

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,.. and wind power to generate the electricity?


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It’s a problem that will probably take forever to fix.
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,.. and wind power to generate the electricity?

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by LarryK
It is not one battery anyway, it is thousands of cells.

Electric motors are dead simple.

Charging stations are everywhere in the US. My car has a 300+ mile range.

And, it drives itself. It is no contest, as far as I am concerned.

It will do 0-60mph in 3.7s, and it does not pollute, obviously.

Yes and there is a complex set of components to make them work, some have a cooling system, some have a heating systems, fuses, high voltage connectors, lots of sensor and of course a battery management system controller.

It does not pollute the air but it does raise a number of issues and using raw materials that are in short supply. Lets hope the new generation of batteries will solve the problems.

Fact is that we are over consuming the capabilities of the planet. That be electric or carbon based.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/20/electric-car-batteries-what-happens-to-them

Look up Redwood Materials:



There are more minerals to be extracted from all the batteries that we have in our closets than are in the earth.

We traded the planet for a car culture and the destruction caused by burning fossil fuels. It’s probably too late. I haven’t owned a car in twenty years and I vowed I would never pump gas again, and I won’t.

It’s rich to be lectured to about damage to the planet by people who own gas-powered cars.

Around 1900, there were about 20,000 electric vehicles in Manhattan. Look up the Baker Electric. Gas won out for range and here we are.

The past is the future. We’ve been going in the wrong direction for over 100 years.

And, yes, you can power the whole planet with a huge solar farm in the Sahara, a solar farm that is a tiny percentage of the area of the Sahara.

https://ideas.ted.com/solar-farm-sahara-desert-climate-impact-effects/

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It’s a shame that we aren’t collectively sophisticated enough to just talk about pianos without devolving into political bickering.


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Sorry.

Now back to Pianos everyone please!

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Carbon Fibre soundboards will be absolutely be necessary, as there will be no spruce left to use.If there are still sheep around we can still make the hammers and dampers..and so on. How about a piano cabinet made of asbestos, perhaps varnished or otherwise treated to keep us safe? If there are enough windmills around we can still use digital pianos.. oh there could be a hurricane or something that totally destroy the windmills. I wonder if there be enough tuna in the ocean to keep us creative.😨🙀
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But this topic, what has changed in the ways pianos are made, is a matter of geo-politics and geo-economics. In the golden age of the piano you started by cutting down trees in primeval forests, using coal fired iron works, and shooting an elephant.


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Coming back to your piano, I'd say just enjoy it.

However, if you lived next door, I'd suggest we try a reversible version of the acoustic isolation that has been available in Phoenix Steingraeber pianos for the last ten years, give or take.

It would cost you 30 minutes and the price of 6 wooden popsicle sticks or 12 balance rail punchings to create an air gap between the top of your piano's legs and the underside of your piano. The air gap has dramatic effects.

Do the legs of your A have a central wooden screw to attach to the body? If Steinway had moved on to metal widgets by 1912 there is a Plan B.

The effect on my 1905 Ibach was like a rejuvenated soundboard, better than that in fact. Clearer bass, enlivened middle registers, and a stronger treble. I am completely happy with it's sound now.

I am not even thinking of anything better, except regulation. If you like the overall effect I don't think you would either.

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I think I am taking the advice of your 1st line! wink

Not sure about the leg screws - I seem to remember they have like a round thing on them that twists the leg into place and the locks it.

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That"s great.

Anyway it's a big potential shot in the arm for your piano should you ever feel it needs one.

Ian

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Electric cars have far fewer fasteners which means less energy in manufacture to make all those holes and threads and installation. And this is just one point. ICE vehicles are far more polluting in all phases of it's life.


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I came across this fantastic video from Fazioli. It goes into quite a but of the building process for their piano. It appears to take a great mix of human, machine, and computer work to build their fine pianos.


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