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Originally Posted by Seabrz
Now that was the type of comment I was looking for, Probably Blue. You infer that Yamaha uprights and are more desirable. Why? From what I’ve read in the Piano Book, the Walter rates better than either the U1 or U3, and is highly dependent on place and date of manufacturing. I’ve also read that Yamahas are bright and loud, which is the flavor of the day in uprights.

Look again. You'll see that the Charles Walter Vertical pianos are ranked in the same tier as Japanese built Kawai (K Series) and Yamaha (U series) pianos.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/article/a-map-of-the-market-for-new-pianos-ratings/

Also, the "bright and loud thing" is a gross generalization. I've played some 30 year old Walter verticals that also fit that descripotion.

If you can't find any suitable used uprights in your immediate area, then the 20 year old Walter with the Damp Chaser and shipping included will probably be fine for your daughter. If she outgrows it, you can always sell it and upgrade to something else.


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by probably blue
I would say...

If you like it then go for it!
If later you need to upgrade once again, then it’s OK!
You got a good deal that lasted you a few years. And damp chaser to switch over. (if it can)
Buying a new piano in "a few years" is not usually a good idea because of the financial loss involved. There is no guarantee that one can ever sell a used piano unless one is giving it away for very little. Even if the damp chaser can be switched over, there is considerable cost for the installation of the damp chaser.

I think it's best to have the CW inspected and not just go by a conversation between the OP's tech and the owner's tech. The only exception might be if the OP's tech personally knows the owner's tech and trust them.
Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by probably blue
U1 is a entry level upright is that right?

I personally did not like the U1 I played at a dealer.

Not top of the Yamaha line, but better than entry level Yamaha uprights. According to Larry Fine, the U1 represents "the standard against which every 48″ vertical is inevitably compared."
Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Carey
Also, the "bright and loud thing" is a gross generalization. I've played some 30 year old Walter verticals that also fit that descripotion....
I’ve played a old Steinway upright that also fits that
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One nice thing about paying $3,500: depreciation and loss on a trade, while a huge percentage, won’t be that much in absolute terms when compared with rental costs.

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Just noticed that’s exactly the amount I payed lol.

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Seabrz, I am biased because I own a 1997 Charles Walter 1520 and I love it.

The Walter uprights have been engineered to fit a full-sized upright into a smaller, more attractive case. The Walter 1520 has a 48 1/2" speaking length on the #1 bass string (the longest string), which is longer than nearly all 52" uprights and comparable to a 5'8" grand. It has full-length keysticks (16 3/16" whites, also comparable to a grand) which assist with touch and expression due to increased leverage. They are by all accounts excellently made and a pleasure to maintain (techs love working on these pianos.)

As an amateur musician and lifelong pianist, none of that stuff really matters... the Walter is simply a lovely instrument to sit down and play.

You will have a hard time finding a Yamaha of similar quality in the same $3500 price range because brand recognition and market saturation have made Yamaha king in the minds of the masses.

There is one caveat: the Walters tend to have a diffuse, rich tone. Some people prefer the brightness and clarity of other makes. But for me? I prefer the mellower Walter tone.

For you there is some risk in not being able to try the instrument before you by it. Personally, I would never buy I piano I had not played. But as your daughter is a student and this is exactly the kind of upgrade her teacher wants for her... it might be worth taking that risk.

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Originally Posted by Wry Guy
The Walter 1520 has a 48 1/2" speaking length on the #1 bass string (the longest string), which is longer than nearly all 52" uprights and comparable to a 5'8" grand. It has full-length keysticks (16 3/16" whites, also comparable to a grand) which assist with touch and expression due to increased leverage. .
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.


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