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Jameezy, You have two excellent pianos to choose from. Tough decision. What did you think of the Estonia pianos?


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Originally Posted by probably blue
I need to show this to my family 🙃

They are worried about my ears but don’t understand anything I say. ITS NOT THAT LOUD!

Especially in a big room...

They even tried to convince me to get these earplugs.

At least they care 😉

The volume that is considered harmful long term is 85db over regular and extended period of time. You can just buy a db-meter and measure by yourself the average and peaks. What is loud or not is relative to each person perception and after a while you get used even to high volumes, so factual measurement will allow you to check that.

Once you have damaged your ears, its too late ....


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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by probably blue
I need to show this to my family 🙃

They are worried about my ears but don’t understand anything I say. ITS NOT THAT LOUD!

Especially in a big room...

They even tried to convince me to get these earplugs.

At least they care 😉

The volume that is considered harmful long term is 85db over regular and extended period of time. You can just buy a db-meter and measure by yourself the average and peaks. What is loud or not is relative to each person perception and after a while you get used even to high volumes, so factual measurement will allow you to check that.

Once you have damaged your ears, its too late ....
I will still be careful, I think I just need to echo treat the room. Waiting for rug delivery and furniture.
dB meter sounds good, I could use it for other stuff too.

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Estonia may be the one I hadn’t tried out in fact. I was interested, but for whatever reason I never got to one. There was one used one on Craigslist about a half hour from me, but I didn’t pursue it.

Just heard from my tech, he says the piano is in excellent condition and wouldn’t have any reservations about it. He actually said he wishes he had it himself LOL.

Gonna go for it! Should be able to get a good run with it. There is a lifetime trade up option too, so if in 10-15 years I want a more expensive new, big piano I already have a down payment Haha. Thanks to all who pitched in! This forum has been tremendously helpful if not for anything else than therapeutically bouncing some ideas around smile

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Wonderful news and great choice 😊. Be sure to post pics when it is delivered


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yayayayayay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How exciting!

Also, great endorsement from your tech!

Keep us posted about delivery and what not! smile


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Sadly I won’t be in the new house for another 6 weeks frown some serious delayed gratification

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Ohh, that is a bit of a wait isn't it! Well, don't worry, we'll still be here when your piano arrives!

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I’m genuinely glad you found a good piano! 😄

Funny how the Steinway, etc, went away but the C5 stayed!

I hope for a quick and safe delivery...

Also hope you stick around!

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Congratulations on making the decision! I think you will be very happy with the piano. Sorry it will be a bit before it’s delivered.

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Grand pianos have amazing kids. Keep the lid closed whenever you’re practicing and even a C5 won’t be too loud.


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Grand pianos have amazing kids. Keep the lid closed whenever you’re practicing and even a C5 won’t be too loud.

Amazing lids. Darn spellcheck.


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I'm so happy for you. Yamaha makes great pianos.
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I need to show this to my family 🙃

They are worried about my ears but don’t understand anything I say. ITS NOT THAT LOUD!

Especially in a big room...

They even tried to convince me to get these earplugs.

At least they care 😉

The volume that is considered harmful long term is 85db over regular and extended period of time. You can just buy a db-meter and measure by yourself the average and peaks. What is loud or not is relative to each person perception and after a while you get used even to high volumes, so factual measurement will allow you to check that.

Once you have damaged your ears, its too late ....

I was recently worrying about this with my Bosendorfer 225. I could swear I have noticed some ringing in my ears since I got it. One thing about high-quality audio stuff that I've heard mentioned (one of the bad things), including instruments, is that you can't always tell how loud it is. The distortion you hear is often what lets you know when something is too loud (that hurts your ears), and good quality equipment doesn't distort much, even at high volumes. So your ears might be ringing after you've been listening or whatever, since it didn't sound as loud to you. You might find yourself playing louder than before, since the sound quality is so clear. It depends on how loud you play, of course. Sometimes I'll play really loudly (like, as loud as it will go), and I think that's just not the best idea if you have a big piano. I suspect it can cause hearing damage if you do enough of it.

The lid is really good if you want to get some stress out and play your loudest (or not worry about accidentally going too loud just casually). But you should be able to get plenty of volume from a grand without having to put all your strength into it. In theory I think full stick practice is probably okay as long as you aren't going nuts with the volume. You might need to go half stick or closed lid if you're going to be hitting max volume on a grand piano. They can be loud.

Anyway, congrats! That's really cool. I bet you'll love the piano.

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I'm so happy for you. Yamaha makes great pianos.
Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by probably blue
I need to show this to my family 🙃

They are worried about my ears but don’t understand anything I say. ITS NOT THAT LOUD!

Especially in a big room...

They even tried to convince me to get these earplugs.

At least they care 😉

The volume that is considered harmful long term is 85db over regular and extended period of time. You can just buy a db-meter and measure by yourself the average and peaks. What is loud or not is relative to each person perception and after a while you get used even to high volumes, so factual measurement will allow you to check that.

Once you have damaged your ears, its too late ....

I was recently worrying about this with my Bosendorfer 225. I could swear I have noticed some ringing in my ears since I got it. One thing about high-quality audio stuff that I've heard mentioned (one of the bad things), including instruments, is that you can't always tell how loud it is. The distortion you hear is often what lets you know when something is too loud (that hurts your ears), and good quality equipment doesn't distort much, even at high volumes. So your ears might be ringing after you've been listening or whatever, since it didn't sound as loud to you. You might find yourself playing louder than before, since the sound quality is so clear. It depends on how loud you play, of course. Sometimes I'll play really loudly (like, as loud as it will go), and I think that's just not the best idea if you have a big piano. I suspect it can cause hearing damage if you do enough of it.

The lid is really good if you want to get some stress out and play your loudest (or not worry about accidentally going too loud just casually). But you should be able to get plenty of volume from a grand without having to put all your strength into it. In theory I think full stick practice is probably okay as long as you aren't going nuts with the volume. You might need to go half stick or closed lid if you're going to be hitting max volume on a grand piano. They can be loud.

Anyway, congrats! That's really cool. I bet you'll love the piano.
Only 5’5”. I just need to echo treat the room I think.

I normally do fly lid open and music desk. Main lid is closed.

I don’t play loud TBH.

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Originally Posted by j&j
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Grand pianos have amazing kids. Keep the lid closed whenever you’re practicing and even a C5 won’t be too loud.

Amazing lids. Darn spellcheck.
When I read this at first, I thought it meant keep the lid closed so the kids don’t mess around.

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Congrats! Yamaha C5 is an excellent choice!


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Yeah the lid positions on a grand, especially on a large grand give the pianist great sound with volume control. Check out all the suggested lid positions before adding anything for audio control. Also, prescription ear plugs (who knew) can offer relief from ringing in the ears. Try the easy stuff first. There are tons of suggestions on this Forum and also in Larry Fine’s Piano Buyer’s Book. Best Wishes!


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Just to go back to original question I had, final price was just under $26k, after tax $27.5k. The original listing was $29k plus tax (original post was already after some negotiation), so $3k off listing at least. Was hoping for a little lower but he wouldn’t budge any more, and I just want the piano at this point haha. Also, I think local market here is a little higher than what I’ve seen in other places online. For what it’s worth my tech thought it was fairly priced.

I second all regarding hearing protection. My first instrument was drums, after playing without ear protection in rock bands throughout high school and going to a lot of concerts, I have learned the hard way, as I already have slight hearing loss in one ear. Take it seriously.

Thanks again to all who’ve chipped in on here!

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Originally Posted by probably blue
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Grand pianos have amazing kids. Keep the lid closed whenever you’re practicing and even a C5 won’t be too loud.

Amazing lids. Darn spellcheck.
When I read this at first, I thought it meant keep the lid closed so the kids don’t mess around.

That too. We have a few friends that have to fiddle with things when they talk. The piano lid remains closed whenever they come over. I don’t know how these people ever made adulthood. Don’t touch other people’s stuff.

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Originally Posted by j&j
That too. We have a few friends that have to fiddle with things when they talk. The piano lid remains closed whenever they come over. I don’t know how these people ever made adulthood. Don’t touch other people’s stuff.

Do they reach into the piano and pluck the strings??


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