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One member (can't remember who) has often made the point that 9-footers can often be had for reasonable prices used. ....

Yes, meaning that very large pianos can be hard to get rid of.

I wonder if I am he. In my very limited experience this can be the case.


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If one’s housing and financial situation are stable and there’s room for it, I’d say go for the piano you like best. I got a concert grand several years ago, having traded up first from a 212 to a 232. I’ve never regretted it.


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I'm fortunate to have a concert grand and a semi-concert grand side-by-side in the living room where the pianos take up half of the floor. Loudness is never a problem, since it is actually easier to play the larger piano more softly.

Actually, the smaller piano is louder for the same effort, but the larger piano has a greater dynamic range and can be played more softly and more loudly.

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I just had a look at the japanese Yamaha site, and discovered that S5X and S7X are not present in the latest (April 2022) product lineup. The SX line is constituted exclusively by S3X and S6X. I was wondering whether they have stopped production of S5X and S7X for economy of scale reasons, or whether this limitation applies only to the japanese market for some obscure reason.

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Originally Posted by furio ercolessi
I just had a look at the japanese Yamaha site, and discovered that S5X and S7X are not present in the latest (April 2022) product lineup. The SX line is constituted exclusively by S3X and S6X. I was wondering whether they have stopped production of S5X and S7X for economy of scale reasons, or whether this limitation applies only to the japanese market for some obscure reason.

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I can't answer the question as to whether they are streamlining the SX line, but Yamaha do assign different product lines for different regions. For example, in the upright line-up, the SU7, SU118, SE132 and SE122 are not available in the USA, unless perhaps on special order.

In the Japanese line-up you'll see there's also a C1 and C3 with the designation "TD" after it meaning traditional series, and they have the previous generation cabinetry. Whether they have the previous generation soundboards and hammers, I don't know. There's also a chippendale version of the C2, and none of these models are available in Europe. Also, I spotted a "C3X espressivo" which I've never even heard of before.

Until I hear differently (which would be via their social media channels), I'm going to presume the lineup remains the same.


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A concert grand at home is self-indulgent overkill, IMO. Unless you have something resembling a concert hall at your house, which is highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by chromaticvortex
A concert grand at home is self-indulgent overkill, IMO.

Says the person with a 7’4” Bösendorfer 225! laugh


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A concert grand at home is self-indulgent overkill, IMO.

Says the person with a 7’4” Bösendorfer 225! laugh

Well...I don't think it's overkill, though. It's big, but...just about right, and I have a big house (~3500). Ergo...I can only imagine what a much bigger piano would be like in an equal or even smaller space.

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A concert grand at home is self-indulgent overkill, IMO.

Says the person with a 7’4” Bösendorfer 225! laugh

Well...I don't think it's overkill, though. It's big, but...just about right, and I have a big house (~3500). Ergo...I can only imagine what a much bigger piano would be like in an equal or even smaller space.

But honestly, I think you're kind of right. I can see where you're coming from. I do have a big piano, and the house isn't even really...that big. It's a big house, but the hall it's in, I could make do with something smaller. So yeah I'm kind of guilty of this self-indulgent overkill myself. The piano can get quite loud. It's louder at home than at the shop, because it's in a smaller space. Visually, it doesn't seem too overbearing, though. I even caught myself thinking maybe I should get an Imperial at some stage. But by then I might've upsized to an even bigger house as well. smile

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Chromaticvortex.

Really now. In your heart of hearts, you TRULY think a modest piece like this can be described as "self indulgent?"


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I think we should all ask ourselves, who among us DOESN'T have a 308cm custom built concert grand, with custom-matched furniture, along with a commissioned painting of their own house including the piano, to hang up in the same room? Let he who has never been in that situation cast the first stone.


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OP ..... if money and time and space and noise isn't an issue ...... and also if you really want one, then it's certainly worth it.

It doesn't mean that you would necessarily be permanently stuck with it. As other instruments can be purchased/acquired for using whichever one you want at various times.

But if cost is an issue ..... such as paying to remove it etc if it doesn't suit. Then maybe overall it might not be worth it. It does bring up the consideration of ...... if haven't tried, then won't know whether it is/was worth it, or not. Although ..... sometimes it is possible to predict what sort of problems we could be in for ... for the long haul. But if prepared to accept it ...... then go for it. What one can acquire can always be unacquired. Some learning experiences can come out of it too.

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What a story!

There seem to be many reasons a person might buy a high-end piano...

To collect them as status symbols, or the way an art collector might acquire paintings for their gallery...to use them as decorative furniture...and just play a little...

And others are mostly just players. To them, the superficial particulars of the piano matter far less than simply how it plays and sounds, especially under the most rigorous of technical conditions.

And these things of course converge in various ways, especially with high-end pianos, where these...status-symbolizers, art collectors, and consummate musicians, can all find something to appreciate...

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I think we should all ask ourselves, who among us DOESN'T have a 308cm custom built concert grand, with custom-matched furniture, along with a commissioned painting of their own house including the piano, to hang up in the same room? Let he who has never been in that situation cast the first stone.

Well, I have to confess to not having these things. But then I do have two grand pianos (6' and 7'6" - so total length 375 cm) plus two square pianos in my living room...

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Just go for it I reckon. People have trashed the planet already ..... and buying whatever they want these days. Might as well go along with the ride ..... even though we know that what we do or buy and behave is linked in some way to planet trashing etc.

Obviously it is actually best to also consider the planet and other things (resources, environment - but sure .... buying something can keep people/businesses alive too) .... as in really needing, want etc. If career/livelihood depends on it ... then sure. Another consideration.

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If one can afford a concert grand and it's suitable visually and sound wise, then how can it be self indulgent?

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If one can afford a concert grand and it's suitable visually and sound wise, then how can it be self indulgent?

Being a bit more serious for a moment, I totally agree with this. For example, I felt nothing but joy and satisfaction from watching this recent video of a home concert grand delivery:



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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
If one can afford a concert grand and it's suitable visually and sound wise, then how can it be self indulgent?

I would describe my own piano purchase as self indulgent. There’s nothing wrong with being self indulgent if you’re not going through life in a way that every decision is about self gratification, and if the indulgence is not at someone else’s expense. If the indulgence is something that will bring you great joy over a sustained period of time and will not cause harm to yourself or those you care for, it seems to me that there is nothing at all problematic. Everything in moderation… even moderation…

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If one can afford a concert grand and it's suitable visually and sound wise, then how can it be self indulgent?

Being a bit more serious for a moment, I totally agree with this. For example, I felt nothing but joy and satisfaction from watching this recent video of a home concert grand delivery:

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The self-indulgence is actually at the expense of the planet, animals, resources etc ------ but because the momentum of big businesses and people in general is in full swing, and people generally prepared to turn a blind eye to what actually is happening (until it's too late that is) ----- then well, the universe etc keeps operating anyway, regardless of what happens. Although, it is 'nice' in that at least we're aware of what's going on. As in to spare a thought for the planet, and the impact of our activity on the planet, on ourselves, and on innocent animals that are working hard to just survive out there - and they don't even have money etc.

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Yeah…maybe I was being unfair and a bit hypocritical. I might even like to own one in my home someday if I had the space and funds. I’m hoping to have a house someday with a concert hall style area.

But it just seems too big and overpowering for almost any home space. That being said, it’s not something to make such a big deal over. We all have different opinions and desires. If you like it and it sounds good to you, go for it.

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