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When I click on Pianoteq's Note edit - Volume, I find that some instruments are completely neutral, that is the volume for all keys are 0db. But when scrolling through other instruments, the volume is irregular, for instance some keys are -2db and other keys +4db. I am flabbergasted by this irregularity. This means, that when I try to play notes evenly, Pianoteq makes them uneven! Or when trying to make a smooth diminuendo, and one of the keys in that diminuendo is the one that Pianoteq has programmed as +4db, it will be very difficult. And also, if I have practised with one instrument, and then I change to another one, the dynamics would be slightly off. I just cannot understand this.

Does any of you have a good idea of why the volume isn't neutral for all pianos???


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Originally Posted by Animisha
When I click on Pianoteq's Note edit - Volume, I find that some instruments are completely neutral, that is the volume for all keys are 0db. But when scrolling through other instruments, the volume is irregular, for instance some keys are -2db and other keys +4db. I am flabbergasted by this irregularity. This means, that when I try to play notes evenly, Pianoteq makes them uneven! Or when trying to make a smooth diminuendo, and one of the keys in that diminuendo is the one that Pianoteq has programmed as +4db, it will be very difficult. And also, if I have practised with one instrument, and then I change to another one, the dynamics would be slightly off. I just cannot understand this.

Does any of you have a good idea of why the volume isn't neutral for all pianos???

Which instruments have uneven volumes?


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Which instruments have even volumes? I haven't found any yet...

If you right-click the window, you can set all notes to 0 db. Maybe I'll play around with this a bit...


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Originally Posted by SeaDrive
Which instruments have even volumes? I haven't found any yet...

If you right-click the window, you can set all notes to 0 db. Maybe I'll play around with this a bit...

Does it depend upon the version of pianoteq you own?


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Does it depend upon the version of pianoteq you own?

I have Standard, which has Note Edit. I believe that the intro-level Stage version does not have Note Editing, but I'm not positive about that...


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Al the notes pretty much are not neutral. They're not on an acoustic piano either, are they? I do not know how they measure the volume specifically, but the irregularity of the individual note volumes at a given downforce are shown as those irregularities corrected.
Your headphones and/or speakers will introduce their own irregularities, since notheing is perfect.
And to add to the mix, neither are your ears!
So,you adjust the offending notes to suit your equipment, which is possible on Standard and above. A great feature imo.
What could be better than that?
And don't forget, unless you want the digitally processed sound of a digital piano complete with clinical overtones, you'll also need to knock Pianoteq out of tune a little. Or a lot lol!

I can see you're already having fun . . . smile

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Originally Posted by SeaDrive
Originally Posted by Doug M.
Does it depend upon the version of pianoteq you own?

I have Standard, which has Note Edit. I believe that the intro-level Stage version does not have Note Editing, but I'm not positive about that...

I know in the pro version, you can alter the pitch of the individual strings, which you can't in standard. I was wondering if note volume (which I presume comes from unequal ware of the hammers) can be achieved?
Or can you simply individually alter the hardness of hammers?


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
I know in the pro version, you can alter the pitch of the individual strings, which you can't in standard. I was wondering if note volume (which I presume comes from unequal ware of the hammers) can be achieved?
Or can you simply individually alter the hardness of hammers?

In Standard, you have access to three "characteristics" of each note: Detune, Volume and Attack Envelope.

There's a "More" menu fly-out, which gives you note-by-note control over pretty much all the other tonal controls that the primary UI lets you set for the entire instrument, like Unison Width, Hammer Noise and Strike Point.

These additional note-by-note settings are only active for the Pro version; in Standard, they are greyed out.


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I apologise for the delay - I should not start a thread and then leave home, crazy


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Which instruments have uneven volumes?

For instance; NY Steinway D classical, jazz, prelude, blues, po, new age, felt I, felt II....

Originally Posted by SeaDrive
Which instruments have even volumes?.

For instance: Bechstein DG D 282, Steinway D home - both on Pianoteq 6. (I haven't upgraded to 7 yet.)


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
Does it depend upon the version of pianoteq you own?

Yes, you need to have "Note edit" in order to see this. I also just found out that the even volumes can be found in Pianoteq 6 - I didn't find them in Pianoteq 7.


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Originally Posted by peterws
I do not know how they measure the volume specifically, but the irregularity of the individual note volumes at a given downforce are shown as those irregularities corrected.

Hmmm... There is an answer to my question in here, but I am not sure that I get it, except for irregularities are everywhere and nothing is perfect....


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