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If you open the cliburn.org page, there's a video on the main page. They're still recapping at the moment, but I'm assuming it'll switch to the ceremony once it starts.

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The speech about "Let's not talk about politics, music transcends that" feels a bit tone-deaf to me.

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Jury Discretionary Awards: Li, Shin, Tadokoro
Best Performance of Commissioned Work: Lim
Best Performance of Mozart Concerto: Shmukler
Audience Award: Lim

Bronze Medal: Choni
Silver Medal: Geniushene
Gold Medal: Lim

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As predicted, Lim, Geniushene, and Choni!

God, those speeches were terrible, and it was in such bad taste to start with the Ukrainian anthem and then have the hosts talk about not politicizing the event...

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Well, sports fans, it's about 7:45 in Ft. Worth now and the awards were supposed to start at 7:00 - I remember the old days when Van (bless his heart - RIP) used to get up there and bloviate endlessly and pointlessly about nothing in particular and when he finally ran out of steam, the awards would start. Anyway, I had a couple of old friends who participated in this thing and did pretty well, as well as local lad John (?) Nakamura...I'll keep searching and see if there's any news yet...

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The only shock was Shmukler winning the Mozart prize. Clearly the jury didn’t listen to the same thing as everyone else/. His was one of the worst.

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I can't really judge them on that one -- by that point my brain just mentally shut off as soon as Mozart's 20th started playing.

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Originally Posted by boo1234
The only shock was Shmukler winning the Mozart prize. Clearly the jury didn’t listen to the same thing as everyone else/. His was one of the worst.

How he got that over Tadokoro or Lim is crazy, honestly...

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So they completely shut Kamei out of everything, huh.

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The only shock was Shmukler winning the Mozart prize. Clearly the jury didn’t listen to the same thing as everyone else/. His was one of the worst.

How he got that over Tadokoro or Lim is crazy, honestly...

Geniusene was better. Khandohi’s was better…. I just can’t wrap my head around this one.

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Facebook sez it's Lim, Choni and Anna, in that order.

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Oh, so no 4,5,6, just medals and the "jury second guessing itself after it's too late" special awards, haha.

Happy about Lim, I'd flip-flop Geniushene and Choni. Oh, well. grin

Left out of the announcements: "There will be a deacons meeting in the fellowship hall immediately following the service and would the owner of the red Prius double parked in front of the door move it? Thank you." ha


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Would not hurt to give that Ukrainian a consolation prize - he probably earned it double-time...

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Originally Posted by Auntie Lynn
Would not hurt to give that Ukrainian a consolation prize - he probably earned it double-time...

He’s been living in Austria for some time.

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Podium placements about as I imagined.
Glad Choni medaled. Lim was a shoo in for the Gold. He was front runner after the 12 Transcendental Etudes and never let up.
And his Rach 3 was deservedly the winner.

Glad Marcel was recognized, there's some justice on the jury.

Vadym Kholodenko opened the proceedings with playing the Ukarinian National Anthem, followed by a "We Stand with Ukraine" proclamation.
At that point was wondering if Choni would indeed get the Gold. But it didn't fall into any political gesturing however.

Agree that Shmuckler winning the Mozart prize over Tadokoro, Choni or even Anna is mystifying. Even Kamei's F major Concerto was more memorable.


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Proud and Honored to have picked 2 of the top 3 after hearing their Preliminaries.

Lim and Choni, moved me from the very beginning and that's not an easy task for this old man! LOL

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Question: this was my 1st viewing of the Cliburn's - is it usual for the winner (1st place) to will the other side awards as well? Or is this just that Lim is extraordinary?

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It varies from year to year. Looking at the New Work and Chamber Awards from recent competitions (before this year the semifinalists did a piano quintet instead of a Mozart Concerto).

2017 both the Chamber Music and New Work awards went to Daniel Hsu (the eventual Bronze Medalist)
2013 they both went to Kholodenko (who also won Gold)
2009 the new work award went to Tsujii (one of the Gold Medalists) and the Chamber award was split between Bozhanov (Finalist) and Son (Silver)
2005 they both went to Joyce Yang (who won Silver)
2001 the new work award went to Pompa-Baldi (shared Silver), and the Chamber award was split between Ioudenitch (shared Gold), Philippov (shared Silver) and Franceshetti (Semi-Finalist)
1997 the new work award went to Naida Cole (semi-finalist), and the Chamber award was split between Cole, Nakamutsu (Gold) and Skanavi (finalist)

As far as I can tell the only gold medalist to win in both of the main side awards before Kholodenko was Steven De Groote in 1977 (though he shared the chamber music prize with two other people).

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Originally Posted by BeeZee4
Agree with Brendan. Choni was the best performance tonight. Overall he still remains No. 1 in my book, despite Lim's virtuoso wow factor. He seems more musically mature, not to discount Lim, who despite his youth does show mature chops. But doens't appear as seasoned as Dymytro.
Anna is a seasoned veteran, but her Tchaikovky was lacking, not pedestrian but very safe, didn't take off for me.

Should win: Choni, Lim, Anna
Will win: Lim, Anna, Choni


+1. I also give a preference in musical maturity over sheer virtuosity. But the choice of the jury can be rationalized. I am doubtfull of Lim making a great international career, though I wish him the best.


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Very well-deserved win by Lim. Disappointed that Kamei or Sun weren’t awarded any special prizes though.

Also, I didn’t realize the discretionary awards could go to quarterfinalists (Andrew Li), but glad he got some recognition since I thought Li deserved a spot in the Semis anyways

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Originally Posted by pianoforever2080
Very well-deserved win by Lim. Disappointed that Kamei or Sun weren’t awarded any special prizes though.

Also, I didn’t realize the discretionary awards could go to quarterfinalists (Andrew Li), but glad he got some recognition since I thought Li deserved a spot in the Semis anyways

Steven Lin won discretionary awards and he was only in the preliminary round. (He still said he was so discouraged and stopped playing for two months afterwards.)

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