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Hi everyone,

I am not very good at modulations, can anyone suggest what keys these pieces are in and subsequently what they modulate to (if they modulate at all)? Thank you in advance

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The key signature is give ----- so for the first one, it is key of A major. Just double-checking first ----- do you know how to determine key signature from the score sheet?

And you want to do a key change, as in what some music people call 'modulation', right? If so, then check out some techniques called '2-5-1 modulation method' ----- which is a good start. It eventually leads to key changes using four-note chords etc.

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Originally Posted by SouthPark
The key signature is give ----- so for the first one, it is key of A major. Just double-checking first ----- do you know how to determine key signature from the score sheet?

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I think she is asking if there are key changes within the particular score… not how to modulate between pieces.


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Hi

Not good at working out modulations, so this is mainly key info....

1. Schubert - In A major - this modulates in the 2nd section not sure to where though.
2. Large Wave - Key signature indicates C major/A minor but it finishes with a Bb major chord, so I suspect this has modulated. This is not an easy one to interpret.
3. March of... - Key signature indicates C major and it finishes in C major. Whether it modulates I'm not sure.
4. Settle Down - In F major - don't think this modulates but need to play it really.
5. Typhoon - In G minor - unsure about modulation.

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My take, though others may hear/think differently.

The Schubert starts in A major and moves briefly to C# major at bar 19. By way of an A7 he wheedles his way via a very brief sleight of harmony in D back to the home key of A major.

Large Wave.
At bar 18 this settles into Bb minor but at the beginning rambles on what is close to my ear as a Locrian mode of the Db major scale. Bar 31 onwards is similar to the opening idea but it's a Locrian mode of the scale of Cb major. Finishing on a Bb major chord confounds the senses and further helps to defy a reliable key-name (other than Bb major!).

March of the Roman Legionaries.
Aside from the final chord being a C major, I don't think this piece holds enough harmonic centre anywhere to warrant a specific key name or an identifiable modulation. However, I like the instruction at the beginning of the piece March Tempo, With Sarcasm. Is Tom Gerou a disciple of Satie and his ilk?

Settle Down.
This starts in the key of F and moves to Bb at bar 17 but as a simple jazzy piece it wouldn't be described by musicians at home in that idiom as a key change. It's all in F.

Typhoon
The key sig suggest G minor but the flavour at the outset and at the end is what I think is described as a Spanish gypsy scale in G (C harmonic minor scale starting on the note 'G'). The two-bar opening figure is repeated a couple of times then in C then A and subsequently after a change to 6/8 we could be anywhere, e.g. running briefly and rapidly through a cycle of 4ths at bar 24. I wouldn't say there is an identifiable modulation (change of key) anywhere in the piece.

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Hi, thank you so much for your reply - it's for my student who is sitting Grade 5 Trinity Piano and he is doing Musical Knowledge as his choice of extra test, but I usually prepare my students for sight-reading and aural, so I wasn't sure, and I saw on the syllabus they would ask about the key and modulations in the pieces...it seems like the Grade 5 pieces don't have clear modulations though!! I wonder if maybe they won't ask about it, seems rather difficult!
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Hi

Not good at working out modulations, so this is mainly key info....

1. Schubert - In A major - this modulates in the 2nd section not sure to where though.
2. Large Wave - Key signature indicates C major/A minor but it finishes with a Bb major chord, so I suspect this has modulated. This is not an easy one to interpret.
3. March of... - Key signature indicates C major and it finishes in C major. Whether it modulates I'm not sure.
4. Settle Down - In F major - don't think this modulates but need to play it really.
5. Typhoon - In G minor - unsure about modulation.

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Thank you so much!! You're the best! I really appreciate all the detailed answers smile It is for my student sitting Grade 5 Trinity Piano exam - usually i prepare the students for Aural and Sight-reading but he wanted to do Musical Knowledge. I haven't prepared a student for that before but I saw on the syllabus that they would ask about Key and Modulations. I am not good at working out musical analysis myself, so thank you so much again, it's super helpful!
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My take, though others may hear/think differently.

The Schubert starts in A major and moves briefly to C# major at bar 19. By way of an A7 he wheedles his way via a very brief sleight of harmony in D back to the home key of A major.

Large Wave.
At bar 18 this settles into Bb minor but at the beginning rambles on what is close to my ear as a Locrian mode of the Db major scale. Bar 31 onwards is similar to the opening idea but it's a Locrian mode of the scale of Cb major. Finishing on a Bb major chord confounds the senses and further helps to defy a reliable key-name (other than Bb major!).

March of the Roman Legionaries.
Aside from the final chord being a C major, I don't think this piece holds enough harmonic centre anywhere to warrant a specific key name or an identifiable modulation. However, I like the instruction at the beginning of the piece March Tempo, With Sarcasm. Is Tom Gerou a disciple of Satie and his ilk?

Settle Down.
This starts in the key of F and moves to Bb at bar 17 but as a simple jazzy piece it wouldn't be described by musicians at home in that idiom as a key change. It's all in F.

Typhoon
The key sig suggest G minor but the flavour at the outset and at the end is what I think is described as a Spanish gypsy scale in G (C harmonic minor scale starting on the note 'G'). The two-bar opening figure is repeated a couple of times then in C then A and subsequently after a change to 6/8 we could be anywhere, e.g. running briefly and rapidly through a cycle of 4ths at bar 24. I wouldn't say there is an identifiable modulation (change of key) anywhere in the piece.

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Hi Joyce
Hope you don’t mind an OT question. Were you able to resolve the pain in your hands? Hope so!


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