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"I think everyone will agree that kids are unpredictable."

I disagree.

We were three brothers, and I have seven cousins. All of them extremely predictable in this respect.

Tales at school of my generation also testimony of how differently children were raised at that age, the idea of "if you can't afford to have it broken it should not be in the house" simply unthinkable.

I remember not being allowed to go alone in the reception room until I had, to the judgement of my parents, the age of reason (say, 5 years, might have been less).

After that, I was allowed and never broke anything, never even thought of doing anything like that.

You see, in those days punishment was swift and, most of all, certain. This made, in our case, punishment unnecessary in the first place.

But mind, with 6 I was already allowed to hold crystal flutes in my hands, or other expensive objects.
Teach your children well.


"The man that hath no music in himself / Nor is not mov'd with concord of sweet sounds / Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils." (W.Shakespeare)

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I don't really plan to get into a discussion about how to raise or discipline children. But I would like to say that no matter what, it isn't always about breaking things purposely or through misuse. Sometimes kids are just clumsy - or who knows. To say otherwise would be a severe oversimplification of the matter.

And so, your story does illustrate what I really mean, in all seriousness. To keep something away from the kids, you just have to completely isolate it (in your case, your parents put all of the fragile items in the reception room).


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"Sometimes kids are just clumsy - or who knows".

True, but that's much more true of adults (see the orange juice example above), whilst it is very easy to put things "outside of the reach of children" (an entire reception room, for example.....)


"The man that hath no music in himself / Nor is not mov'd with concord of sweet sounds / Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils." (W.Shakespeare)

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God, I love this thread! What a great topic; thank you Jesika_Mesika for reviving it.

So stellabella, what did you end up doing? And how has your Steinway fared over the last 14 months, since you first raised the question in March of 2007? I'm in utter suspense. smile

I'm also in the camp of Innominato et al ideologically, in that no one has the obligation to share any item with the neighborhood children, even if (yes!) it's a PIANO.

And I'm especially in agreement w/TLuvva where practical matters are concerned. If I had 60 grand to spend, I'd take $2000 of it and also buy a decent used vertical for the kids to play / put at risk, because I *would* be one of those few parents (again, the prerogative is mine) who'd want to encourage the neighborhood kids to "find the piano"...

Just not my $50k+ piano.

And no, I wouldn't stick the poor kids on some evil contraption with lousy action. Having been there myself as a kid, I'd see to it that even I could play on it comfortably before I'd turn anyone else loose on it, especially the precious youngsters from down the street.

My kids: different matter anyhow. There I'm in the 'privileges earned' and 'case-by-case basis' camp as far as the $50k+ unit is concerned. Which should be no great/long-lived hardship anyhow, since ultimately I'm either going to be able to trust them with it or I'm not.

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The answer is PIT BULLS! laugh


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Just curious... I'll duck later...

Why is it that some people think kids have more rights that adults do?

Why is it that these same people allow their kids to have more rights than adults do?

Why is that these same people let their kids run through churches like play rooms, houses and stores, playing on items that are not theirs, toys that were never purchased and basically terrorize everything else in sight with no respect for what is NOT theirs?

I would never walk into someone else's home and run right up to their piano and start playing or pounding on it. It is NOT mine. I did NOT ask permission to do so. Now, if I had, and they said, certainly, because, I can play the piano, then by all means, now it is okay.

It seems to me it's a matter of teaching respect for others property. Ask and perhaps you will be allowed to "play" the piano. And, perhaps the answer will be no to which the child should totally and the parent too, respect that decision.

Maybe we don't feel as adults like hearing that noise at this moment in time and would rather talk instead of listen to kids "banging" on it?

Ok, I'm hiding under my bed now. Tell me when it's safe to come back out again. laugh


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Jerry,

You are safe from me:). From the time my kids were very small, I could take them anywhere. Antique malls, stores and other people's homes and never worry about them touching things that did not belong to them. A lot of "rules" in our house were non-negotiable, particularly when they were very young and specifically if it was any sort of safety issue. They could not wander off in stores, be out of my visual range outside etc.

Respect is taught at home. I think most parents do...then there are the others. Those amok kids you see in stores catch your attention. The ones behaving well don't draw the eye as quickly. Adding that - at one time or another every parent has had do deal with a child that just fell apart in public.

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hey
i am plaannin to buy a piano for my 9 yr old daughter and settled on a kawai because of its easy availability. i wanna know how good a company kawai is for pianos especially upright ones

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Originally posted by J. Mark:
I'm a big big fan of getting kids into music. My 4 year old has weekly classes at our music conservatory here. Even my 2 yr old plays the harmonica <g>.

However, all this high and mighty talk about letting them on the piano is, well, a bit idealistic, imo.

Kids can wreck a piano in no time.
J. Mark...I agree with you. I teach (taught) my child respect and restraint, but I cannot control what his little friends might do with my prized possession..."little Glenn Goulds" not withstanding. Also, I wouldn't want the added pressure for my son to bear if something were to break on the piano thanks to a 'less than respectful' playmate.

Having said that, my son was always allowed to play any of my musical instruments with my permission (I never denied him), but he did need permission first. Today, he has great respect and love for all musical instruments including his beloved Martin acoustics and John Mayer Stratocaster!!

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I'm not a parent. However, I've heard many times that "if you can't afford to have it broken, it should not be in the house."
That line also works if a parent wants to drag their kids along to your next house party.

GUEST: "Can I bring little Harry to your party as well?"

ME: "Well, if you can't afford to have it broken..." thumb

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A friend of mine once studied with a concert pianist (who has since died), who's name was Ed. He had this cute little dog, who would faithfully listen to Ed for hours on end while he practiced. But a soon as Ed would begin playing a piece by Prokofiev, the dog would abruptly get up and leave the room. True story.

Maybe the same might work on children. Just a passing thought, and of course, just kidding.

I think Monica's advice is spot on (although I'd place item #2 as item #1).


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That line also works if a parent wants to drag their kids along to your next house party.

GUEST: "Can I bring little Harry to your party as well?"

ME: "Well, if you can't afford to have it broken..." [Who Me?]
I was actually referring to having your own kids. If you don't have any, I'm sure that anything goes.


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I'd say just put some covering over the main top part of the piano so they don't scratch it and make sure they know not to ever have liquids near it but other than that....let them play it! I'm glad my parents always let me noodle on it throughout my childhood, even though what I was playing was either total nonsense or some completely simple little riff I'd make up now and then...when I was 17 after having had a few piano lessons I got obsessed and now I think life would be a lot less fun without being able to improvise on the piano every day. Who knows your kids might be like that...so go easy on 'em

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