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#503512 05/17/07 08:47 PM
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I'm talking about M. Ravel's "Pavane of the Sleeping Beauty". It's from a ballet, not really sure.

Somewhat easy to play, but even easier to ruin. I am not nearly satisfied with my rendition yet because of my smallish hands.

What is it about the French Impressionists?
They keep me awake at night...going over every note, and even more importantly every rest. Wondering how and why they knew to do that or this. I think I would have loved to have some Tea with Satie, much more than with Mussolini. wink


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I'm talking about M. Ravel's "Pavane of the Sleeping Beauty". It's from a ballet, not really sure.
I think it's actually "Pavane of a dead princess"
The princess is DEAD. So a prince's kiss will wake her up smile


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Originally posted by gaffster:
[b] I'm talking about M. Ravel's "Pavane of the Sleeping Beauty". It's from a ballet, not really sure.
I think it's actually "Pavane of a dead princess"
The princess is DEAD. No princess' kiss will wake her up smile [/b]
Grammar alert : princess' is the possessive of princess (fem.). The possessive of prince (masc.) is prince's.

While, I realize that most of us now live in a much more "liberal" society than what is implied by the discussion here, I still somewhat doubt that a sleeping princess - or a dead one - would be awaiting the wake-up kiss of another princess. Well, not in a family-oriented forum, at least!

The title of the Ravel work is : "Pavane pour une Infante Défunte"; a literal translation would be "Pavane for a dead Infanta", but it is usually translated as "Pavane for a Dead Princess". In its original form, it is a piano solo written in 1899 and premiered by the Catalan pianist Ricardo Viñes, 5 April, 1901.

Where does the "20 bars of heaven" come from; the original piece is 71 measures long.

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[b] I'm talking about M. Ravel's "Pavane of the Sleeping Beauty". It's from a ballet, not really sure.
I think it's actually "Pavane of a dead princess"
The princess is DEAD. No princess' kiss will wake her up smile [/b]
Grammar alert : princess' is the possessive of princess (fem.). The possessive of prince (masc.) is prince's.
While, I realize that most of us now live in a much more "liberal" society than what is implied by the discussion here, I still somewhat doubt that a sleeping princess - or a dead one - would be awaiting the wake-up kiss of another princess. Well, not in a family-oriented forum, at least!

Regards, [/b]
Good effort. But I corrected my mistake before your post.


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sixth para down..

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Pavane of the Sleeping Beauty. Two ladies-in-waiting prepare the princess for her hundred-years sleep, as the gentleman and the other ladies dance the pavane, the first of the original piano pieces to appear here in orchestral guise. A pavane is a slow and stately dance (popular in the sixteenth century) in 4/4 time. The old woman reveals herself as the Good Fairy. She kisses the sleeping princess on the forehead, then turns to the back of the stage and whistles with her fingers to her lips (piccolo). Suddenly two little blackamoors appear; her safekeeping is put in their hands. A few added measures in waltz rhythm lead directly into the scene:
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http://www.proarte.org/notes/ravel.htm


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gaffster :

Aren't you mixing apples with oranges here? You were originally talking about the difficulties encountered in the piano (original) version, yet your reference is to an orchestrated version incorporated into Ravel's orchestration for Diaghilev of "Ma Mère l'Oye". The story you linked, remember, is Diaghilev's ballet interpretation of Ravel's piano solo.

As I indicated, the original was a piano solo of some 71 measures, and yes, it does have some stretches that small hands would have difficulty encompassing comfortably.

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This is one of my favorites, but it's still on my list of pieces to learn. Hopefully, this year. Something I've always found amusing is something Ravel once quipped about when hearing different renditions of his masterpice. Being the purist, he felt the piece should be played as written and said it's a pavane for a dead princess, not a dead pavane for a princess. Or something to that effect.


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Bruce,

I am refering to a piece I originally heard by the hard-rocker Joe Walsh. He did it with synthesizers about 30 years ago !!!

So i looked it up recently and it's called..
"pavane de la Belle au bois dormant"

I also found it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8stcMzyjoM

Charming Not a bad performance, noisy audio... Still, how sweet. it is done as a duet and at the correct tempo.

For some reason the counter melody just haunts me.
But then again, the nutcracer ballet always gets this 47 year old engineer all teary-eyed, so there you have it.


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Ah! After looking at the video, I realize we're not even talking about the same piece! My mistake, I guess, but maybe I'll blame Kreisleriana for leading us astray to the "other" - famous - Pavane, the one Jolly Roger was also referring to, I believe.

It's nice to hear, by the way, that others of an "older generation" can also still be emotionally moved by music - and admit it!

Sorry for causing all the confusion and giving the lecture on "the" Pavane!

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Ah! After looking at the video, I realize we're not even talking about the same piece! My mistake, obviously, for leading this thread astray to the "other" - famous - Pavane, the one Jolly Roger was also referring to, I believe.

It's nice to hear, by the way, that others of an "older generation" can also still be emotionally moved by music - and admit it!

I'm sorry for causing confusion where there should have been none, and giving the lecture on "the" Pavane! Had I done my research before going off on my tangent, I would have seen that, indeed, the first piece in "Ma mère l'oye" is "Pavane de la belle au bois dormant." In its original form, it's for piano, four hands.

So, my sincere apologies to gaffster for having been so obtuse when it was evident I didn't even know what I was talking about! shocked

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Bruce,
Very Gentlemanly of you, but I did not think you obtuse at all and have learned alot from your posts while lurking around here!

Ok, sooo it IS for four hands, I was not certain because the sheet music has no indications. I will just fake it the best I can by sub'ing an octave here and there. Most of it is playable. I'll just have to apologize to Mr. Ravel someday.
Why stop there? I figure I owe an apology to Beethoven, Motzart, and maybe even John Lennon for messin' with there materpieces. smile


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