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#57590 10/04/07 02:53 PM
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On another brand, I made the same assuption. After communicating with Larry directly, I found that his basis was NOT what he seemed to imply in the Suppliment.

Based on that experience, I would advise everyone NOT to make that kind of assumption.
Well, apparently you can communicate for free.
Most of us will need to pay the consultation rate. laugh That seems expensive to find out that what he means is different from what he says.

In any case, Category 1....built to a standard with no Asian content...... is rapidly drifting toward never-never land.


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Monster,

What is the most desirable action parts according to technicians?


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I am still not convinced that there are ANY new pianos being made today that do not have at least some parts made in China.


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turandot,

What is never-never land? Do you mean they are too expensive?


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Steve,

I'm sure nobody knows where every screw is made.
That been said I do not find a screw being as important for performance or lasting value. Screws don't have moving parts.

I can say, the Walters tell me that they do not use any Chinese parts in the grands or uprights unless, once again, as I have said, you order a Chinese action for the uprights, to save some money.

I have heard the same for some German pianos.

For the record I am commenting on this thread not to put down the M&H but in response to comments made by others.
I find nothing wrong with the performance of the M&H.


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What is never-never land?
It's a place that does not exist.


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turandot,

So are you saying that the best pianos made in the world are going the way of M&H and utilizing parts from China?


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Just from curiosity, does anyone know which action parts M&H is getting from China?


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Hi Rod,

I'm saying that Mr. Fine's category 1, as he presently describes it , will probably have fewer members as time goes on because it entails requirements that will be harder and harder to meet, except for extremely limited production companies. However, I suspect Mr. Fine will revise the category to accommodate pianos with known Asian content if he is satisfied of the quality of the Asian content.

I'm also saying that rating a piano or piano components based solely on country of origin is as preposterous as rating the quality of a piano or a piano component based on its cost.

And yes, I do think that Mason and Hamlin is getting a very raw deal.


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I'm sure nobody knows where every screw is made.
That been said I do not find a screw being as important for performance or lasting value. Screws don't have moving parts...
When I was at the factory all the parts were seperate in different boxes. None of them were pre-assembled moving parts. Mason workers put the entire action together from what I could tell. Pretty good quality control if you ask me.

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I would not consider purchasing any type of expensive piano brand if there are any non-trivial parts from non-Japan Asia. This cannot possibly help out M&H, unless they decide to significantly reduce their price level so that they are no longer an expensive brand.

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Originally posted by Axtremus:
OK... the former USSR has also launched astronauts into space. Name a USSR-made piano (or even just action part) that's widely recognize to be better than German-made piano (or action part). laugh
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I would not consider purchasing any type of expensive piano brand if there are any non-trivial parts from non-Japan Asia.
Well, maybe Mason and Hamlin doesn't want your business, wiz. Could be they've heard about the nightmare you caused for Petrof and GIC. laugh


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I would not consider purchasing any type of expensive piano brand if there are any non-trivial parts from non-Japan Asia. This cannot possibly help out M&H, unless they decide to significantly reduce their price level so that they are no longer an expensive brand.
But you would buy a Japanese piano with many more asian part for around the same price?......I'm not seeing the logic here. It's not that much more in price already. Where do you think they ought to be priced?

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I would not consider purchasing any type of expensive piano brand if there are any non-trivial parts from non-Japan Asia. This cannot possibly help out M&H, unless they decide to significantly reduce their price level so that they are no longer an expensive brand.
IMHO, that is a foolish position.


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Well said Steve. I agree. 'Foolish' is a much gentler word than came to my mind.


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Ryan,
Do you know which were from China?


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Turandot,your reply to wiz was pretty funny, but I think others are a little quick to call him "foolish."

In his latest supplement, Larry Fine notes that Group 1 pianos put quality considerations far ahead of cost, etc. He goes on to say that M&H , while a great instrument, has a manufacturing approach more consistent with Group 2. Group 2 differs from Group 1 in part because of cost considerations. Group 1, we know, is a lot more expensive.

This is basically what wiz is saying. Its not illogical, and its not foolish.

Or did Larry not mean to say what he said, Steve.

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Do you know which were from China?
Unfortunately I do not.

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