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I am unsure if this is the correct area to post this, but I just wanted to mention that Peter Bence has uploaded a new video to YouTube this past week, of him performing his extraordinary arrangement of Freddie Mercury's "Bohemian Rhapsody", and it is absolutely breathtaking.

For anyone who has yet to view this spectacular performance, I urge you to take 6 minutes out of your busy day to watch this video, hopefully on a high-res display larger than a smartphone, and while using quality headphones. You are in for a real treat, to say the least. I have never seen any piano performance of this magnitude before.

Enjoy! Bet you can't watch it just once!

Although I like and have played a couple of Bence's transcriptions, neither this particular song or his version do much for me. I have heard other less virtuosic versions I like better. I only listened to the first two minutes or so and thought several passages were just filled with pointless note spinning.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Although I like and have played a couple of Bence's transcriptions, neither this particular song or his version do much for me. I have heard other less virtuosic versions I like better. I only listened to the first two minutes or so and thought several passages were just filled with pointless note spinning.

Wow. Seriously?
Overwrought for me as well...seemed more about demonstrating his virtuosity than the song.
It held my interest for about 20 seconds.
Dreadful! He's butchering a good rock melody. Just goes to show taste, like beauty and love, is not universal; thank goodness.
Here’s what it sounds like to me: he has a bag of tricks labeled a, b,c, d etc. he wants to make sure there is not one measure that is not covered with them, so he looks at his list and grabs one to insert— whether it fits the music or not.

The effect is the loss of the melody and of the style of the music. I’m not surprised when a beginner layers too many, but he’s not doing it because he’s learning. He’s doing it to be able to say ‘Look at me!!’ He’s better than this.
Jeez, tough crowd.

You know, I think that this may have something to do with why I have yet to find a single friendly fellow pianist on this forum since joining a couple of years back. I have repeatedly attempted, since day one, to strike up conversations on here by sharing some of my own personal views and experiences, such as how I learn new pieces/songs while bedridden with spinal issues/nerve damage, etc, posting links to anything/everything that I believed might be of interest to fellow piano enthusiasts, making my own reviews/opinions of my preferred choice of instruments, studio monitors, headphones, favourite types of music/styles... pretty much anything related to the joy of making music... all while endlessly being lambasted and laughed at by pretty much every forum member with a gazillion posts under their belt.

I'm beginning to dislike online forums where, what... jealousy?... just general meanness?... always causes new members to feel quite unwelcome. As others have lamented on here before, it's not exactly a friendly, welcoming group of people. I now have come to the understanding that I am probably better off doing pretty much anything that does not involve me being part of an internet forum.

After all of this time, I almost hate to have to leave this group, but quite frankly, I have never once felt as though I was ever going to eventually be welcome here.
This forum is visited mostly by people whose main interest is classical piano so they may not like covers of almost any popular song or the popular song the cover is based on.

You might get more people to comment positively on this video if you posted it on the PW Non Classical Forum. I do like some of Bence's videos but not this one.

Here are two I like and have even played. I think they have much less note spinning even though they are very virtuosic.

camperbc, I am so sorry to say this, because I don't want you to hate PW, but I love Peter Bence and I didn't really like this version of Bohemian Rhapsody. His playing is certainly on here, and I have to almost wonder if this video and others without the loop machine etc. are a response to former criticisms of him as someone who can't really play (because of the tech he uses). If there was any doubt (there wasn't for me) hopefully this video puts an end to it. There's no mistaking, he plays quite well.

But this version of BR is not compelling to me. There are some nice spots, but I wouldn't go looking for the video to listen again.

But don't hate me! We can talk about Peter Bence doing Despacito (which I LOVE!) or Attention (FANTASTIC!!) I also agree about his Hallelujah. A lot covers of Hallelujah are too... bare? for me, but his add just the right this and that, in just the right amounts.

Definitely pop over to the Non-classical forum, and stick around in general. PW members have strong opinions, but we all just love the piano.

And for everyone else in this thread, check out Attention if you haven't already! smile

I have absolutely no problem at all with the pianist, his style, his ability, his showmanship and his interpretation, really.

But for me, the trouble is the material. Boh/Rha is (In My Opinion) a load of overblown, pompous, emotionally detached and immature nonsense. Sorry and all that.

The problem is simply the song. Who has ANY experience to relate to regarding this Queen piece?

On Gold Radio in the UK they do a "Top 300" every year and this load of dross always walks it... in God's name why? I can't relate to it at all, who can? Give me something about life experience that I recognise to grab my attention. I accept, the original is excellently produced.

The Beach Boys, Fun, Fun, Fun is more meaningful to me, I remember THOSE days, I lived THAT life, even though it reflects a small sector of American society, and I am English I was that age, I did things like that and I had that FUN.

I have never been to Texas but Glen Campbells version of the Jimmy Webb song, "Galveston" is an emotional experience for me every time I hear it and I will never tire of it. I also "still see her standing by the water...."

So far, and I hope it remains this way, I have never shot anyone, I couldn't talk to my now deceased Mother if I did and I am not too keen on most opera, certain Puccini and Gilbert and Sullivan excepted.

I would like to hear this mans version of "Echo Beach", "For crying out loud" or "The Young Ones". Again, I can RELATE to them all.
So we differ in that regard. I LOVE BR and I love Freddy Mercury.
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Jeez, tough crowd.

You know, I think that this may have something to do with why I have yet to find a single friendly fellow pianist on this forum since joining a couple of years back.
Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. Posting things to the proper forum will certainly help with your concern there. Posting "A Must Watch..." to the wrong forum is a different kind of posting.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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Jeez, tough crowd.

You know, I think that this may have something to do with why I have yet to find a single friendly fellow pianist on this forum since joining a couple of years back.
Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. Posting things to the proper forum will certainly help with your concern there. Posting "A Must Watch..." to the wrong forum is a different kind of posting.

And yup, there it is yet again... exactly what I've been talking about. That same condescending tone that no doubt drives many newcomers away from this forum.
I don't see where that's condescending; it's just factual information that's intended to help you post stuff to the appropriate forum in the future.

Several years ago I was standing in line at the bank. An old fellow in front of me walked up to the counter and ordered a bowl of vanilla ice cream. The teller paused for a moment and then explained to him that he was in a bank and the restaurant is across the street.

The incident was pretty comical but nobody was condescending to the old guy -- he was just confused. He got directions to where he wanted to go and he went there to get his ice cream.
Originally Posted by FrankCox
I don't see where that's condescending; it's just factual information that's intended to help you post stuff to the appropriate forum in the future.

Several years ago I was standing in line at the bank. An old fellow in front of me walked up to the counter and ordered a bowl of vanilla ice cream. The teller paused for a moment and then explained to him that he was in a bank and the restaurant is across the street.

The incident was pretty comical but nobody was condescending to the old guy -- he was just confused. He got directions to where he wanted to go and he went there to get his ice cream.
There's a big difference between just giving information and the post in question which said "Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. " That post is light years from just giving information like the story you related. "It should have been clear" implies fault on the part of the person it was directed to. I think that post is clearly condescending and borderline nasty. The OP was justified in being upset about being spoken to in that manner.
Originally Posted by FrankCox
I don't see where that's condescending; it's just factual information that's intended to help you post stuff to the appropriate forum in the future.

Several years ago I was standing in line at the bank. An old fellow in front of me walked up to the counter and ordered a bowl of vanilla ice cream. The teller paused for a moment and then explained to him that he was in a bank and the restaurant is across the street.

The incident was pretty comical but nobody was condescending to the old guy -- he was just confused. He got directions to where he wanted to go and he went there to get his ice cream.

Well I guess I'm just a senile old relic who has actually been treated just like one of the PW family on here after all, correct? Yup, apparently it's all just in my head. OK, I'll get out of everyone's hair now and get on with my life, so that all of you can return to being so friendly, helpful and welcoming, haha.

On the off chance that perhaps one of you 100,000+ members just may wish to correspond with me, well, I can still be reached via my website shown in my signature.
I dont know if the OP still reads the thread. In any case, i think that at least the responses are honnest. People say what they think of the piece. You cant please everyone and since this is classical forum, members are used to listen to highly virtuosic pieces, so this version is not technically a surprise. I think it is better to say that you dont like something rather than being falsely gentle. Its not a big deal if people dont like this version. Also when writting fast sometimes one can get or seem mean without any intention of being so. Though i recognize that occasionally some PW members are deliberately mean.

I really like Queen and BR. But i also think this cover is not very good. It is rather loud all the time and sounds more like a patchwork of tricks assembled in no particular order. I got lost rather quickly. Rather than being upset by the comments maybe there is some elements of truth to consider. But you can also think that we are all wrong. Again no need to get upset about it.
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by FrankCox
I don't see where that's condescending; it's just factual information that's intended to help you post stuff to the appropriate forum in the future.

Several years ago I was standing in line at the bank. An old fellow in front of me walked up to the counter and ordered a bowl of vanilla ice cream. The teller paused for a moment and then explained to him that he was in a bank and the restaurant is across the street.

The incident was pretty comical but nobody was condescending to the old guy -- he was just confused. He got directions to where he wanted to go and he went there to get his ice cream.
There's a big difference between just giving information and the post in question which said "Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. " That post is light years from just giving information like the story you related. "It should have been clear" implies fault on the part of the person it was directed to. I think that post is clearly condescending and borderline nasty. The OP was justified in being upset about being spoken to in that manner.
The OP was saying the PW users are unfriendly and unwelcoming after substantial use of PW and asking folks primarily interested in classical music for feedback on a non-classical performance, saying must hear this.

My feedback that it only held my interest for about 20 seconds was being generous in my response since there are a wide range of reasons why that could be, including my own musical interest. By comparison, some others chose to critique the performance itself, a less amicable response.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by FrankCox
I don't see where that's condescending; it's just factual information that's intended to help you post stuff to the appropriate forum in the future.

Several years ago I was standing in line at the bank. An old fellow in front of me walked up to the counter and ordered a bowl of vanilla ice cream. The teller paused for a moment and then explained to him that he was in a bank and the restaurant is across the street.

The incident was pretty comical but nobody was condescending to the old guy -- he was just confused. He got directions to where he wanted to go and he went there to get his ice cream.
There's a big difference between just giving information and the post in question which said "Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. " That post is light years from just giving information like the story you related. "It should have been clear" implies fault on the part of the person it was directed to. I think that post is clearly condescending and borderline nasty. The OP was justified in being upset about being spoken to in that manner.
The OP was saying the PW users are unfriendly and unwelcoming after substantial use of PW and asking folks primarily interested in classical music for feedback on a non-classical performance, saying must hear this.

My feedback that it only held my interest for about 20 seconds was being generous in my response since there are a wide range of reasons why that could be, including my own musical interest. By comparison, some others chose to critique the performance itself, a less amicable response.
My comment was about Frank Cox's thoughts about your condescending comment:
"Well, if you've used PW that much, it should have been clear that your posting satisfied the criteria for the forum Pianist Corner - Non Classical. Posting things to the proper forum will certainly help with your concern there. Posting "A Must Watch..." to the wrong forum is a different kind of posting."

Your reply quoted above totally ignored that part. You didn't inform the OP, you berated him.
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.
Never heard of the guy but boy he’s got some serious skills. Has he ever given any classical music performances?
Looking at his YouTube channel it appears he only does pop song covers.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.


Is this necessary? No. Although there is certainly a non-classical forum, that does not prohibit non-classical music being posted here, just like you will find posts on the piano forum which are not related to musical instruments…. But rather the piece of music.

You might want to read this forum’s description. Classical is not mentioned
I think the OP is a big Peter Bence and probably also Queen fan.
To me it seems he/she is still in his/ her puberty.
In this age people often take criticisms of their idols very very very (and one more VERY) personal and tend to get pissed very quick if someone dares to not share their opinion about the adored ones.

So let's not be too hard on him/her. This kind of childishness surely is a privilege of adolescence
I personally like this version much more:


I find that Peter Bence's tone is consistently too harsh in the video. Also the fast notes don't seem to make sense in context. There's not much development. Not much in the way of dynamics or phrasing.

I wonder whether others here like the Jarrod Radnich, though. Or is it just me fanboying haha.
Originally Posted by brennbaer
I think the OP is a big Peter Bence and probably also Queen fan.
To me it seems he/she is still in his/ her puberty.
In this age people often take criticisms of their idols very very very (and one more VERY) personal and tend to get pissed very quick if someone dares to not share their opinion about the adored ones.

So let's not be too hard on him/her. This kind of childishness surely is a privilege of adolescence

To quote the great philosopher and pianist Charlie Brown: "Good grief." I'll say no more.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.
Sarcasm when an apology to the OP was appropriate.
camperbc, your enthusiasm for Peter Bence is refreshing. To find or discover music, a musician or a performance that truly moves you is something very special. It's a great shame that the wheels have fallen off your post and your enthusiasm for this performance has been so unfortunately spoilt.

Having said all that pompous stuff, I must say the P Bence style doesn't really appeal to me. Taste in music is such a personal thing, and each of us has our own strong preferences and tastes.

There are a number of cover versions I quite like that I'll mention, and people can proceed to shoot me down. Keith Jarret's "Jasmine". Liszt covers of Schubert songs. If you only listen to one, listen to "Gute Nacht"



Another one I enjoyed when I came across it was | Anderson & Roe Piano Duo playing VIVA LA VIDA by COLDPLAY. See what you think.

Originally Posted by CharlesXX
camperbc, your enthusiasm for Peter Bence is refreshing. To find or discover music, a musician or a performance that truly moves you is something very special. It's a great shame that the wheels have fallen off your post and your enthusiasm for this performance has been so unfortunately spoilt.
Completely agreed on this point. OP, never apologize for your music taste! Clearly, you find something of value in the playing here. Try to figure out what that is and branch out in your choice of music. You will gradually come to your own conclusions. It is somewhat subjective and personal at the end of the day, I know people who don't appreciate performances I consider amazing. The first time you discover an artist you love is something beautiful, cherish it.
ranjit, I like that version of BR a lot!!! I feel like that's very true to the original and over the top in all the right ways.
What fun!
Originally Posted by CharlesXX
To quote the great philosopher and pianist Charlie Brown: "Good grief." I'll say no more.

I hate to be critical or sarcastic here, because I know it is so out of keeping with the ethos of the Piano World community, but actually I don't think Charlie Brown played the piano, he played baseball.

The pianist was that great fan of Beethoven, Schroeder.

Hopefully Schroeder will apologise for being a Beethoven fan on an inappropriate forum.
Originally Posted by slipperykeys
Originally Posted by CharlesXX
To quote the great philosopher and pianist Charlie Brown: "Good grief." I'll say no more.

I hate to be critical or sarcastic here, because I know it is so out of keeping with the ethos of the Piano World community, but actually I don't think Charlie Brown played the piano, he played baseball.

The pianist was that great fan of Beethoven, Schroeder.

Hopefully Schroeder will apologise for being a Beethoven fan on an inappropriate forum.

OMG, I feel like such a goose. Thanks for pointing out my error, and in such a kind way. Yes, that Schroeder has a lot to answer for, but not here.

But not as big a goose as brenngaer in his condescending description of camperbc (Glen) who is in fact a retired boat builder from Fogo Island.
Originally Posted by brennbaer
I think the OP is a big Peter Bence and probably also Queen fan.
To me it seems he/she is still in his/ her puberty.
In this age people often take criticisms of their idols very very very (and one more VERY) personal and tend to get pissed very quick if someone dares to not share their opinion about the adored ones.

So let's not be too hard on him/her. This kind of childishness surely is a privilege of adolescence


Wow! Your crystal ball is WAY out of batteries. He is a retired boat builder that knows what he likes—. And kudos to him!
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.

smile I literally LOL'ed at that one, and touché! Turnabout is fair play, as they say... ha
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.


Is this necessary? No. Although there is certainly a non-classical forum, that does not prohibit non-classical music being posted here, just like you will find posts on the piano forum which are not related to musical instruments…. But rather the piece of music.

You might want to read this forum’s description. Classical is not mentioned
My sarcasm was not directed at the OP. I don't object to the posting to the forum. Saying it was a "must watch" and then saying that PW users are unfriendly for their response was what I was responding to. My apologies if the OP took offense.

I would challenge the notion that it rose to the level of berating the OP however.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Your criticism is duly noted. I won't comment further because I need to go post some links to recordings of Brahms Lieder in the non-classical forum as a must listen for jazz pianists who accompany singers.


Is this necessary? No. Although there is certainly a non-classical forum, that does not prohibit non-classical music being posted here, just like you will find posts on the piano forum which are not related to musical instruments…. But rather the piece of music.

You might want to read this forum’s description. Classical is not mentioned
My sarcasm was not directed at the OP. I don't object to the posting to the forum. Saying it was a "must watch" and then saying that PW users are unfriendly for their response was what I was responding to. My apologies if the OP took offense.

I would challenge the notion that it rose to the level of berating the OP however.
The OP was the one saying it was a "must watch" and saying PW users were unfriendly in their response to the video he posted. So since, as you say, you were responding to that your sarcasm was directed at the OP.

And there is no question whether or not the OP took offense (and rightly so). IOW no "if" he took offense. Saying the video was a "must watch" is simply expressing his enthusiasm for the video. Finally, you didn't just inform him the post was better suited for the non classical forum as several other posters did. You added the nasty phrase "It should have been clear" which places blame on the OP.
I see nothing wrong with posting the piece in question to this forum. My point was that if the OP wanted to find sympathetic folks to discuss a non-classical piece, and the need rises to the level of wanting to leave PW if the discussion did not go that way, the OP has used PW enough to have known that the non-classical forum was the best forum for that discussion to take place.

I'm struggling to find a constructive intent for anyone concerned by your insistence on using words like "berate" and "nasty". If that helps you feel like you are on the moral high ground, so be it.
Originally Posted by Sweelinck
I'm struggling to find a constructive intent for anyone concerned by your insistence on using words like "berate" and "nasty". If that helps you feel like you are on the moral high ground, so be it.
Of course you're struggling because you don't seem to understand or admit that your post was inappropriate and nasty. Then you wrote a second sarcastic post clearly directed at the OP.

Several people told the OP his post would probably be better received on the non classical forum which is fine. You included the words "It should have been clear" and you said that even after the OP indicated he felt some people were unfriendly.
What's so wrong about it should have been clear in a friendly tone? We should take into consideration the context.
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