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Sam
No one has poisted yet!!?!? Am I the first?

Well I will start out then. Maybe I am always swayed a bit more by the ones that have videos. That is why I started putting video links to my submisssion (modest as they are).

I was blown away by the entry

03. Sam S - Idyll

This is fantastic music making. But more than that, the video is an invitation to a place I want to be! A music room where a couple is enjoying their retirement with music together!
And multi-camera too! But beyond that, the music is wonderful. Thank you.
Earlier this week I saw that someone was going to play my favorite piece so I was really looking forward to this day!

14. Facdo - Elegie op. 3 nr. 1 (Rachmaninoff)

Yes! That was so beautiful, I was crying. You played it in a very sensitive way and brought out the intense feelings in this piece. Well done!!
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:01 AM
03 Sam and Tootles – Idyll This is so fantastic! A professional recording in every way, audio and video. The reverb is perfect, so is the rendition. Congratulations. Oh, I forgot, I really like the piece. I listened to your recording of the Elegie by Carl Baermann as well. Now I know how that piece is meant and what it sounds like with accompaniment. The piece is in Baermann’s “Klarinettenschule”, and I had to play it as a teenager in my clarinet lessons, but without any piano accompaniment I never understood the piece. Thanks for playing it.

09 PianoGrlNW (Ellen) – Scarlatti Sonata K380 I did not know Horowitz played it, but this is one of Tiffany Poon’s favourite pieces. I knew it from her, not from Horowitz. A cortege, maybe, but for a wedding, rather, not for a funeral. The music sounds too happy.

15 Serge88 – Ballade pour Adeline Wonderful! I like the Pianoteq sound you chose. Needless to say that you are struggling with the arpeggios and embellishing figures. Have you ever played the Consolation #4 by Liszt the score of which serves as a background of the video?

17 Ido – Chopin, Waltz 70/3 What a beautiful piece, indeed! This one, I did not know before. Thanks for introducing.

27 Marklings – Chopin Waltz 64/2 Beautiful! This belongs to the very famous pieces by Chopin, and it is my favourite Chopin waltz. I am playing it as well, and I find your rendition close to perfect. The Noire sound suits this kind of music in a perfect manner. Should it be played faster? Not to my mind. An easy piece? Who says so? That guy must be crazy…

30 Swede – Von fremden Ländern und Menschen
This was a pleasure to listen to. Your recording sounds like an acoustic upright, I would have expected a different sound from an Avantgrand digital. I would not say you have technical faults, or if so, everybody has. It would just be even nicer to get the accompaniment softer than it already is, but that depends not only on the pianist but to an equal part on the possibilities the instrument offers. Adding some more reverb might make the recording even more charming.

32 Aprajag – Beethoven Pathétique, 1st Mvmt This is absolutely impressive what you achieve after only 1.5 years! Congratulations! And you played everything by heart. Awesome!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:06 AM
1 Calavera

Well! I'll break a trend and start at the beginning. And we have a peaceful start to the proceedings. hang on, it gets stronger .. .more force, going quiet again. Great start, nice phrasing and very pleasing to my ole lug-holes.

2 Marie J

You have a sweet contemplative touch which fits this music so nicely. You've obviously found your nuche.

3 Sam

I guess you have to handle these recitals and still find time to sort out your own.
You and your missus play well together. It sounds lovely; the clarinet is such a great sounding instriment. And you can always buy her a sax if you wanted to branch into other stuff. . . . smile

4 Quentin P

Very well executed. My days of complex stuff are over. But I learned a lot and did a lot here, and you'll do the same I'm sure. It's fun, and this was great. Hows that for technical feedback?

5 briangmoore

You're playing this pretty deliberatley, ensuring you get it right. It sounds right ok, and I enjoyed it.
Posted By: Flygbladet Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:23 AM
32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
I must admit. I am a bit offended. You just took 1,5 years of piano and voila, play the song that often ends 8-9 years of study. This piece alone took me 1 year until I even dared put it up here.

I love alot about your preformance, the base note could really be heard in the tremble-line. Well done. And the speed you manage to obtain, is impressive indeed.
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:24 AM
11 Rickster – The Heart of Georgia Boogie Fantastic! Your original boogie put me in a good mood. Where do you locate the heart of Georgia?

14 facdo – Elegie (Rachmaninoff) That was so wonderful in every way! I had the impression you were a professional pianist in that setting and with the outfit you wear. I laughed a bit about Beethoven’s grumpy face while you were playing Rachmaninoff, haha.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:46 AM
01. Calavera - Forever Rachel

Great start to the recital, very atmospherically played and with good climax and dynamic control. Good control of the rhythm and pulse considering the change in rhythm and occasional running scales. Very enjoyable!


02. MarieJ - Luminous
Very Calmly played according to the musical direction of the work. Perhaps some rhythms here and there could be a little tighter. But overall it is really nice and you are only really limited by the electronic instrument making it harder to get that left hand super soft like how the original composer played it. Well done!

03. Sam S - Idyll

Here we are again with another Clarinet and Piano work! From the piano side, its really well played and sets the mood just right for the Clarinet to ride on. Your ensemble coordination is really good. Perhaps a small nitpick is to perhaps slightly bring out the voice leading of the half notes in the left hand as they form rather consistent whole tone movements that can aid in governing the peaceful/dreamy mood of the piece.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major

Your effort to make the voices clear is definitely showing! I can mostly hear all the voices throughout the work and you are able to bring out the main theme over the rest of the voices in most places. Just the tricky parts where double thirds occur where the inner voice takes the main theme are not brought out as much. Other than that, everything was quite well done and the only critique is that certain lines feel chopped up either due to the touch or potentiality due to the acoustic quality of the room (It sounds rather dry). Nice work!

05. briangmoore - Chanson

Nice interpretation and touch for this. You seem to be enjoying yourself in the piece which is very enjoyable to listen to and watch. I just feel the tempo could be a little con moto (with movement) as most other recordings i have heard seem to have a little more momentum. Perhaps experiment with a little less pedal or "half" pedal? You can rely on a deep singing touch to bring the sostenuto atmosphere you are going for while reducing the amount of blurring in the harmonies. Please do continue posting more, it is a pleasure to hear your performance smile

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
Good voice, good piano mix with this! Funnily enough as a pianist, i have nothing much to critique about the piano part. I would just say as a vocalist myself, i have to compliment your singing, nice blends and tone in some places. A very nice showcase project!

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa

Good voicing and pedaling for this work! Tasteful use of rubato and shaping in some places with good response to the textural changes. Well done doing this from memory too because this seems really strange with the harmonies. A lot of extended chords.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545

A very tough work! A lot of people underestimate the amount of skill to play this Sonata convincingly with freedom!
Movement 1, Allegro: Very stable playing throughout, your ornaments are not intruding on the overall flow of the piece which is good. And there are very little, if any missed notes. It is very disciplined of you to play this with a very very consistent pulse considering the tendency for a lot of people to play the quaver portions fast then bend the tempo to their whim.
You have certainly picked up the pedagogical value of attempting this work, you should find your scale and fingerwork has improved along with your trills.

Just keep in mind your shoulders and arm relaxation, as you will need to allow your arm weight to rest gently on your fingers to eventually build up comfortable, even speed in your playing. Right now there is visible tension that is transmitting to your fingers that is lending to the speed wall you are experiencing. Deal with these issues and continue improving as you have been and you will be able to play this at a future date at the concert 126-132 BPM.

Movement 2, Andante: Ah this is obviously at tempo haha. Everything is nice and stable and your sense of dynamic and control is definitely coming through. Good response to the harmonic changes too. Two suggestions, firstly, i would personally consider the use of Finger pedal here so you can get the sostenuto character of the cantabile line. Especially since you are not recording in an overly acoustic environment, the piece sounds slightly dry as a result. Secondly, a deeper and more singing touch in the right hand would aid the interpretation. Especially since your Sabel Has a very mellow quality to it, you will be able to get a very nice singing tone out of it with the proper touch.

Movement 3: Once again very stable and good discipline to not play faster in places where its easier. (A lot of people LOVE to play the front fast, the slow down in the alberti B section) Good response once again the to the written dynamics and articulation for this tempo. A nice strong and secure ending. Same comments regarding tempo and stuff as the first movement.

Your patience and meticulousness will pay off in the long run, very good attempt for what is a very big big jump in skill. Look forward to an iteration of a Haydn Sonata of a similar level as you continue to get acclimated to these types of works!
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 10:57 AM
I'm starting with the singers! A skill I do not have - it's tough enough to play the piano without singing at the same time!

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady Very professional recording/arrangement/editing - the whole package. Your singing and playing were great too!

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie" Another great one Rick! Piano sounds really good doing the solo parts too. I think the drum beat adds a lot too. Well done putting all this together. Now share the video link next time!

And the original music:

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace - you had to mention mowing and computers so that was what I heard - it started with the rhythm of a machine, then drifted to grass blowing in the wind, then the tragedy of the forgotten ace. Well done!

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place - Haunting and sad.

35. winterflower - daffodils Very beautiful melody tucked away inside. Simple and poignant.

More to come!

Sam
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 01:19 PM
2. MarieJ- Totally beautiful Marie. I have not heard Einaudi's new album but...now I don't need to. ha I like that muted sound, it fits the piece well. Monica would have loved this!!

1. Calavera- Lovely composititon and excellent playing. I really like the main theme, then very dramatic, and then a return to it at the end.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 07:37 PM
What I've listened to so far in this recital is incredibly impressive. Fortunately, I have some time to provide some brief comments for this recital. I'll start with the last 12.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him

I agree that the piece is beautiful, and you play with much feeling (and accuracy). It truly sings.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1

I don’t see how this is rough in any way. It sounds just about perfect. Great job!

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor

Very well done on a challenging piece.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home

Beautiful song, nice arrangement, wonderful playing. Bravo!

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15

Your flowing play brought out greater emotional depth than most performances of the piece that I’ve listened to.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)

Wonderful playing all around. You played the inner section with such feeling, and I especially appreciated the contrast between the outer and inner sections.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I

Playing like this after 1.5 years is a miracle. Not just the precise playing of a difficult piece, but playing with sensitivity and good musical judgment.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11

This is beautiful music and you perfectly captured the melancholy spirit of these pieces. Who would’ve thought? Modern classical music that is sophisticated and enjoyable to listen to.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)

Another melancholy piece and another sensitive, well-judged performance.

35. winterflower - daffodils

Although an improvisation, it presents itself as a well thought out composition. Really beautiful.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786

What wonderful precision! I really enjoyed your performance.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 08:56 PM
3. Sam- Always fun to here you both. Well done. Nice camera work too Sam! smile

4. Quentin- I'd say both voices are clear as a bell! Very nice.

5. Briangmoore- It sounds like you are still working on it but well done!

6. Pianist 685- Wow... THAT was different. Did you do all that in one take?

7. Stgevedo- I greatly enjoyed that! This recital is pretty much the only place I ever hear "different" piano works and this was "different". Very dramatic in parts. I especially loved the really dramatic parts. Just a great piece. That must be fun as heck to play. Really well done!!

8. AndresVel- Wow, the whole sonata after not even two years of study. Bravo! Well played.

9. pianogrlNW- I've always loved listening to this piece and you played it very well. And your grand sounds wonderful.

11. Rickster- Always fun Rick. The drums were a nice addition.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/15/22 09:00 PM
At some point the order in my playlist got messed up so some pieces were skipped, I hope to get to them soon.

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel
Beautiful piece and playing!

02. MarieJ - Luminous
Very special piece and you create a unique atmosphire with your playing

03. Sam S - Idyll
Great musical cooperation and the sound is great

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major
I'm well familiar with this piece and can tell you you've done and amazing job with it. And the sound is just beautiful

05. briangmoore - Chanson
Very pretty tune and playing!

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
I was pleasantly surprised to hear you sing, I like your voice and also the tune.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
The piece is a bit dissonant to my ears but the interpretation and playing are top notch!

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545
Remarkable job, tackling this piece (and all three parts of it!) is a great achievement. I believe it will open up many other pieces for you.

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380
Oh yes I love Horowitz's version of it, he really sets the bar high for this piece. I believe you've shown a different side of this piece, which is beautiful in its own right!

13. peterws - Summertime Ended
Love it. But you already knew that, didn't you?

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline
Great performance!

18. lilypad - Nightfall
Great piece and beautiful playing!

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
Some very interesting musical ideas there, it's good to see you composing!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
Great! I like your playing.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
As someone who recently worked on this piece I can really appreciate your performance. Great work!

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
I love it. Thank you for submitting this piece and was very excited to see it on the list. RIP Lyle.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
Great performance!

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
Very expressive playing, beautiful!

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
Very true to the style, great job!
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace - you had to mention mowing and computers so that was what I heard - it started with the rhythm of a machine, then drifted to grass blowing in the wind, then the tragedy of the forgotten ace. Well done!

Pleased you found something in it Sam. I have actually never used a motor mower in my life, noisy, stinky, dangerous and expensive. I prefer old fashioned handmowers. Very cheap, they cut better, and provide mental relaxation and exercise, especially with tough kikuyu grass.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 12:22 AM
13. peterws - Summertime Ended
You underestimate yourself as usual Peter. Your sense of spontaneous phrase, harmony and rhythm is among the most vital I have heard on forums and I always look forward to your contributions. I would like to hear what you could do in a longer, freer improvisation as there is no doubting the force of your idea flow.
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 08:49 AM
Originally Posted by Peyton
6. Pianist 685- Wow... THAT was different. Did you do all that in one take?
No, not in one take. I played several takes of the various voices and chose and trimmed the best of them, deleted the rest.
Posted By: Rickster Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Pianist685
11 Rickster – The Heart of Georgia Boogie Fantastic! Your original boogie put me in a good mood. Where do you locate the heart of Georgia?

Thanks for the kind words, Pianist685! I used "Heart of Georgia" in the title and lyrics, because I live in the central part of the state of Georgia in the US; so, I suppose you could say I'm in the "Heart of Georgia". And, the boogie-woogie always puts me in a good mood as well! smile

All the best!

Rick
Posted By: Agrajag Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Flygbladet
I must admit. I am a bit offended.

That was never my intention! Everyone is different; comparison really is the thief of joy. Even I have to be careful, as I recognize the talent gap between me and a genuine concert pianist is still astronomical.

Pianist685 and Rachtoven (and Flygbladet), I appreciate your comments. I was genuinely expecting criticism when I first listened to myself. I was even hesitant to post this piece, as I can only discern the errors of my own playing until some more time has passed and I can distance myself from the mindset I have while recording. I guess the saying is true; everyone is their own worst critic.

Now I'm not as eloquent as most of you guys, and my musical vocabulary is still lacking, but I'll try to comment on your pieces in due time. They really are a pleasure to listen to.
Posted By: Flygbladet Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Agrajag
Originally Posted by Flygbladet
I must admit. I am a bit offended.

That was never my intention!

Oh dear. I know. I said that with love. I mean. 1,5 years and this good. I am jellous but very very impressed.
If you want a break down on my thoughts on phrasings etc. On your preformance I could write something later if I find the time.
Posted By: Bart K Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 07:36 PM
32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I

Ok, seeing this I had to have a look. Now, I will not be as nice as the other posters because I don't believe being nice is the purpose of the recital comments and you asked for critical comments so here you go.

I think you have pretty good musicality and know how you want to play the piece but you have serious technical issues that are going to limit your progress if you press on. For example, the scalar passages are very uneven and you are twisting your elbow and turning your hand sideways, which is a big problem. Another one is how you play the tremolos with your fingers only with no rotation. In general, you seem to be doing too much isolated finger movement and not enough supporting hand and arm movements. Do you have a teacher? Your musical development seems to indicate yes but your technique says no.

I don't want to discourage you. Playing this piece after such as short time is a great achievement and it's good to have dream pieces that motivate us, but I seriously think you're doing yourself a disservice in the long term by playing such an advanced piece. You're just going to ingrain bad technique. You should really try to learn things more appropriate for your level.

That being said I'm really impressed with your musicality. You have a good feel for the piece and are able to convey that. Just make sure you count in the grave section. It's a common problem because everyone has heard this piece played with rubato a million times but you should be able to play it in strict time first.
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 09:16 PM
Yeahh another recital! These are highlights for me during the year. Very good playing so far from what I have listened to!

Thank ou Peyton and Ido for your comments on my piece. I really appreciate it smile

Thank you also tsychoco for your detail feedback and for taking the time to listen.

Originally Posted by tyschoco
Movement 1, Allegro:
You have certainly picked up the pedagogical value of attempting this work, you should find your scale and fingerwork has improved along with your trills.

Just keep in mind your shoulders and arm relaxation, as you will need to allow your arm weight to rest gently on your fingers to eventually build up comfortable, even speed in your playing. Right now there is visible tension that is transmitting to your fingers that is lending to the speed wall you are experiencing. Deal with these issues and continue improving as you have been and you will be able to play this at a future date at the concert 126-132 BPM.

I have certainly noticed a big improvement in both my scales and trills. After the first weeks/month of working on the first movement, I would have never though that I would be able to reach the tempo I was able to generate at the end in my recording. It was indeed a very rewarding learning process, that required a lot of patience.

thank you for your feedback on my playing. I do not feel any tension when playing this piece, but I am sure there is still some work to be done there. I am always amazed when I see professional pianists playing this fast scale passages, it seems as if their fingers are dancing on the keys so effortless. I am sure this is a topic my teacher is aware of and we will be for sure working on it.

Originally Posted by tyschoco
Movement 2, Andante: Ah this is obviously at tempo haha. Everything is nice and stable and your sense of dynamic and control is definitely coming through. Good response to the harmonic changes too. Two suggestions, firstly, i would personally consider the use of Finger pedal here so you can get the sostenuto character of the cantabile line. Especially since you are not recording in an overly acoustic environment, the piece sounds slightly dry as a result. Secondly, a deeper and more singing touch in the right hand would aid the interpretation. Especially since your Sabel Has a very mellow quality to it, you will be able to get a very nice singing tone out of it with the proper touch.
The tip with the finger pedal sounds very interesting. I remember using it in previous pieces that also had alberti bass sections, but I did not try it this time. I tried to add slightly more weight to the bass note on each alberti figure, but the effect of the finger pedal would be more noticeable. Your comment on the singing touch is spot on and was something my teacher always mentioned when I played it for him, playing more legato and cantabile all throughout. We are currently working on that on a new piece, so let's see how that turns out smile

Originally Posted by tyschoco
Your patience and meticulousness will pay off in the long run, very good attempt for what is a very big big jump in skill. Look forward to an iteration of a Haydn Sonata of a similar level as you continue to get acclimated to these types of works!
Thank you!! :DDD Haydn would be cool! I love his compositions. Let's see what my next classical piece will be smile
I read you are currently working on one if his sonatas. That is for sure something I would like to have a listen to smile
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 09:21 PM
Here my first batch of comments smile

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel I always enjoy your submissions very much Calavera. Thank you also for the short historical background on the development of the consoles. I am sure it played a definite role in the way composers approached the composition of video game music back in the day. I have always praised your capacity to generate tension and and playing with tempo in al your pieces. It always sounds very musical and not forced at all. Very lovely submission for this recital. I really enjoyed it.

02. MarieJ - Luminous Lovely piece MarieJ. The effect you added works very well for this piece. It kind of makes the piano to sounds like an acoustic guitar in some moments, specially on the bass section. You played this beautifully, thank you for sharing smile

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie" What a fun submission! Playing this seems like a big shot of good energy, like you are instantaneously in a good mood after playing this. I liked the lyrics too! and my parents were also born in the 56' ha! I will show them your song. Thank for sharing this with us smile

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace Cool improvisation! This one felt a bit more modern or contemporary from what I remembered from your previous submissions. Have you noticed whether your improvisations tend to navigate towards a particular sound? Or is it pretty mixed depending on your mood and the day?

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13 What an enjoyable recording! You managed to provide its own character to each one of the 12 pieces, and it never felt monotonous in terms of tempo and articulation. My favorites were No. 5, No. 8 and No. 12. It is an interesting exercise trying to link each piece with their titles. The sound of that harpsichord was superb! Very well chosen and recorded. How did you decided to learn this set of pieces? Or how did you know about it? I have always found hard to find order in the index of keyboard works by Couperin. Finding recordings is not so easy either, although at least for this piece, I was surprised to find a recording by Cziffra. Beautiful submission overall!

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music I did not expect the piece to sound like this based on its title. It felt very dancy, rhythmically very latin sounding. You did a great job bringing out the character of the piece. Thank you for sharing.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite) What a great piece. It seems like a very fun piece to play. I think you did a great job with this piece as usual. Great articulation to bring out the character of the piece and lovely used of dynamics all throughout. You also managed to create a very interesting contrast between the middle section and the rest of the piece, which made it very enjoyable to listen to. Thank you very much for sharing laugh

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I Awesome effort and a lot of courage too for deciding to tackle this piece so early in your piano learning process. I think there a lot of good things in your recording already. You played it with a lot of musicality. A lot of dynamic variation and exploration, which I think is essential when practicing any piece. As you mention, it still requires some work. I have the impression that some sections still represent a big challenge technically speaking, specially when trying to bring out the piece up to tempo. I would recommend to focus on some of those aspects in case you are considering to continue working on this piece. I am not a teacher so I would not comment on those in detail. I would only mention one small thing that sort of caught my attention given the big chords one plays in this piece, and that is that that you could involve the wrists a bit more when playing them. This helps to join them and play them more legato and in that way to not depend so much on finger movement only. Another aspect I have been trying to focus on in these past months is to be able to play a piece to my satisfaction consistently, and not only sporadically. From my experience, recording these larger works is a challenge on its own, and really feeling you have the piece very well under your fingers helps with that process too. But this was overall a great submission! Keep up the hard work! your process is outstanding smile
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 10:04 PM
13. Peterws- Peter, what a great improv on a great piece. I love that jumpy left hand. That was really fun to listen to.

14. facdo. I seem to say "Wow!" on these recitals alot these days. Here is another one... WOW! So nicely played and how lucky you were to be able to play it on such a beautiful piano.

15. Serge88- Wonderfully played as always. Really nice piece that I've never heard befoere. (I like that split screen on the vid. )

16. Quasiunafantasia- I freally enjoyed this. I think you played it really well with wonderful dynamics. And now you have totally piqued my curiosity and I'm going to have to look up that second part. Bruckner rocks!!
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 11:00 PM
Thank you, Ido for listening and commenting on my piece.

Just getting started on listening and commenting here -


17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3 - Exquisite! The piano and recording sound seemed just right.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze - I enjoyed your performance. It looked and sounded secure and confident.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place - That was a thoughtful and hauntingly emotional tribute to a sad situation.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13 - That was an interesting variety of character conveyed as a stately whole.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music - Wow! That sounded really good. To my ears it sounds as good or even better that lots of classical pieces I've heard.

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente - Your performance of what looks like a very difficult Bach piece was delightfully smooth, flowing and musical. Bravo!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal - I'm not familiar with the original song, but the performance sounded peaceful and well played.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him - I'm not familiar with the original song, but I enjoyed the contemplative quality of the music and your playing.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1 I- found the piece and performance delightful! I'm jealous of your lightning fast page turns with nary a pause in the playing.

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor - That is a lovely waltz and one of my favorite Chopin pieces. Congratulations on reaching a goal!

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 - That was an impressive performance of one of the livelier Bach pieces. Good job!
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by AndresVel
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace Cool improvisation! This one felt a bit more modern or contemporary from what I remembered from your previous submissions. Have you noticed whether your improvisations tend to navigate towards a particular sound? Or is it pretty mixed depending on your mood and the day?

If, upon listening afterwards, I do not perceive myself reaching out into completely new regions, I feel I have failed in some sense. Most improvisers acquire a huge collection of brief sections of music which are liable to pop out repeatedly over the years, usually in evolving and modified form; I term them attractors by analogy with chaos theory. If positive they constitute creative personality, if negative they tend toward hackneyed repetition, and this difference itself varies among listeners and from day to day. Thanks for listening and for the insightful question.
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 11:33 PM
14. facdo. Rachmaninoff's Elegie: one of my favorites beautifully done! I've tried playing that one and I know how deceptively challenging it can be just to get the notes right, which you did, and you put a lot of feeling into it, so bravo.

A couple of thoughts, purely matters of opinion which you may choose to ignore. The middle section where those right hand double note figures start, I always thought that part is more effectively played a bit slower than is normally done. It may be cheesy but I picture butterflies in a field. And the big crescendo from around 3:30 to 4:00 I thought could use a bit quicker tempo, a little more intensity.

Just some ideas which I offer modestly because I was never able to play this with as much technical proficiency as you did.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/16/22 11:36 PM
07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
Very evocative music. There was a big revival of this idiom a couple of decades ago within the "Terra Verde" movement involving Hal Isbitz, Scott Kirby, David Thomas Roberts and company and your playing lacks nothing compared to theirs.

10. Peyton - Etude #2
The music of Glass provokes a curiously ambivalent response in me, alternating between contemplative serenity and ominous portent. You bring out this inherent paradox splendidly.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
This brought back jolly memories of the Amiga game, its unusually rich graphics and numinous ambiance. Well played.
Originally Posted by lilypad
19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze - I enjoyed your performance. It looked and sounded secure and confident.

Thanks for your comment. Worked on the 1st movement with the teacher before her summer break. Before moving onto the 2nd movement got hit with flu-like symptoms. Stayed in bed for nearly a week before I had enough energy to make recordings. Have to be grateful didn't have a serious infection.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 04:45 AM
Congratulations to everyone on another awesome recital, and thanks once again to Sam. Thanks also to peterws, tyschoco, Ido and Peyton for your comments - always very welcome and much appreciated.
I'm taking a few passes at this recital rather than listening in numerical order and here are my first lot of comments:

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel
You seem to be able to capture the emotional story of a piece so well. Whether the soaring drama of the middle section or the quiet contemplation of the main theme, it always sounds “just right”. Fantastic playing as usual.

05. briangmoore - Chanson
What a beautiful, gentle piece. I really like your voicing here. Well done.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
Wow, great vocals – you have a lovely clear expressive tone. The whole thing sounded very professional, and the gushy synth strings worked really well – tres 80’s!

10. Peyton - Etude #2
This was great to listen to. Full of affecting colour without losing the magic roundabout Glass-y drive. I thought your piano sounded good too.

13. peterws - Summertime Ended
Not so much savage as saucy! Your playing felt effortless. Really enjoyable.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline
Wonderful. It was expressive without being overblown. I wish my hands looked that quiet and relaxed when I play!

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
Very Beethoven! Your timing is excellent and I thought your tempo was just right. The only small thing that caught my attention was sometimes there was a little unevenness in the right hand - a few grace notes, and also some quavers in the 6/8 section. I notice that your right hand wrist sometimes drops below the keys and this may contribute to unevenness by introducing tension and forcing you to play in a more ‘fingers only’ way. Overall great though, and I enjoyed listening. I hope you are feeling better now.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music (to do)
Well done on an energetic and virtuosic performance. It sounds like you were swashbuckling away at the piano.

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
I really love this waltz too, and I agree that it is definitely not easy. You play so well, elegant and flowing, and with enviable control. The slow section in particular was gorgeous.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
This is seriously impressive playing for your level of experience. The pieces were very atmospheric and I think you were successful in bringing a sense of reflective sadness to both.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
Once again you have lovely clear, but still expressive, articulation. The left hand ornaments were particularly impressive. Great playing!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 06:15 AM
Once again a giant thank you, Sam, for all your work behind the scenes in the latest Recital.

A smaller field than usual but I still don’t know where to begin my feedback. Do I go with the usual, working through from #1? Or should I start with the kind early birds who have already provided greatly-appreciated comments on my effort? Seems fair … smile

13. peterws - Summertime Ended
What do they say about standing on the shoulders of giants - you did, and 'Summertime Ended' was playful and a lot of fun. It also showed off the Bechstein’s capabilities, and I really enjoyed it!

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
I’m glad you made it in time to bring us your lively and enjoyable submission.
Going by your critiques over recent Recitals, your technical knowledge appears to be more extensive than expected for a learner after only 2.5 years of formal teaching. Did you previously do lots of ‘informal’ music study?

10. Peyton - Etude #2
I hadn’t heard this one before - a true Glass ‘workout’ - and I loved it. You, the Kawai and Pianoteq made an impressive combination. (Did you go for ‘Stage’ or ‘Standard’?)

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3
The sound quality was fine, and I’m impressed by the quality of the video - what model of phone was it? A lovely piece indeed, sensitively played.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545
One year and 11 months, and not only have you tackled the whole of this advanced piece but also performed it (without sheet music) to such a high standard. I’m in awe!
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 08:01 AM
28 Rachthoven - Bach Invention #8 Very professional and expert playing! Congratulations. You chose the proper tempo and are able to keep it without any problems. This is true Bach, with almost no pedal.

36 Tyschoco – Bach Invention #15 It is awesome what you are doing after only 2.5 years of formal learning. Proper tempo, and all the ornaments are up to the point. Top notch!
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 08:54 AM
Thanks everyone for the kind comments so far! Here's my second batch. Some really nice submissions this time around despite the smaller pool.

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380

As some people have mentioned ,this is one of Tifanny Poon's favorite pieces and in extension, one of my favorite pieces too.

Good voicing in your right hand, the melody sings well above the textures. Considering your use of the pedal, you are doing a really good job ensuring it does not blurr too much of the harmonic progression. Your ornaments are mostly there, except some small spots here and there that jam up slightly (quite normal, i have that too). The only thing i would suggest is perhaps play around with less pedal and a little more "bouncy" articulation in some places like the open 5th figures. I personally feel this particular sonata has a contrast between the singing line and an almost marching quality which can be brought out. Overall really nice to listen to!

10. Peyton - Etude #2

Someone played this before in the ABF correct? Either the same composer or the same work?

Anyways, Very nice use of less pedal for this at the beginning and very good outlining of the voice leading of each eight note figure. We can hear that very well, it gives it a good sense of harmonic and musical direction. Dynamic choices are tasteful and pedal is used very well throughout, especially when dealing with a digital piano. Nice!

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
This was sung and composed by you? Really nice! Nothing to critique about the piano. But very very nice voice laugh

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace

Very interesting improvisation. I don't even know how i could pull off all these interesting harmonies and rhythms lol. Very nice musical material to listen to. I think the only critique is that some scale passages could sound a little more even. But that is a pretty tall order considering the nature of improvisation. Hope to hear more!

13. peterws - Summertime Ended

I am actually not familiar with this piece. So i think its sound pretty nice! Good finger work for the little fast passages and nice response to the textures with dynamics. The Damper pedal only intrudes likely because its a digital you are working with, acoustics allow the use of half damping which can reduce the tendency for the piece to sound too blurry.

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1

Pretty sure this is a rather popular piece. On a Bosendorfer no less!

What a wonderful piano and looks like you are exploring all the possibilities the piano is offering to you. You are sensitive to the different dynamic and harmonic changes throughout the work. Piu Vivo section is executed well with the double notes, i personally would have allowed the Bass to sing out again the double notes just a little more. Perhaps just a little more shaping on the melody line would add to your interpretation as well. Very very nice work, clearly you are enjoying yourself!

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline

Noice, very noice. Nice sharp rhythms and good attempts at the double third octave passages. Good voicing too as i am able to hear the main melody above the textures rather well. Your tempo is rather consistent except for the 32nd note broken chords (but everyone has issues with those lol). Good sense of dynamics especially at the end of the song. Very enjoyable

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major

Bruckner! Very interesting. I only encountered him once and that was for a choral work.

This gives me a little bit of Chopin e minor prelude vibes, even if the key and meter are completely different. Very well executed polyrhythms, in fact it took me just a second to realize it was 2 against 3 because of how naturally you were executing them! Very very nice dynamic response around bar 20! The left hand was very well controlled there in particular. Love the moments of almost subito piano you are doing, responding very nicely to the harmonic changes. Quite curious how it would sound on an acoustic given your great response to the musical details. Very nice indeed.


Originally Posted by MarieJ
36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
I’m glad you made it in time to bring us your lively and enjoyable submission.
Going by your critiques over recent Recitals, your technical knowledge appears to be more extensive than expected for a learner after only 2.5 years of formal teaching. Did you previously do lots of ‘informal’ music study?

Glad you enjoyed my submission! To answer your question, I did not start as complete beginner as i did take keyboard lesson when i was younger. I came back to it starting my proper training 2 years ago after jumping between less than ideal teachers , so i could play later beginner pieces like Bach minuets/marches (albeit poorly) ,the equivalent of grade 3 ABRSM or Level 5 RCM for the north American peeps?

My technical knowledge mostly comes from what my teacher tells me (she is amazing, as she is the only one i found that identified how much fundamental work i needed, rather than pushing me blindly to harder repertoire) along with my own reading (Josh Wright ftw). I should probably mention i am an Undergraduate Voice major, so i also frequent my institution's piano department, so my current theoretical knowledge comes mostly from my pre-college/college music training and watching other players perform while being critiqued by the professors. Hope that clears it up!
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 11:49 AM
Thank you Ted, Quinten,tyschoco and Marie. Ted, that was nicely put (you always use your words well smile ). Tyschco, yes, Sam played this piece beautifully a few recitals back. And thanks for mentioning the pedal... I've had a tough time with the pedal on the digital. Marie, I finally ended up with the stage. I'm using the Steinway D sound and like it.

12. Ted- Ted, I always find your pieces technically interesting but, and perhaps this is just my love of jazz improvisation, crave more of a "theme" that you would improvise on and run with. Does that make sence? Anyway, always an interesting listen.

17. Ido- I agree, I just love Chopin's waltzes. And your love of the piece comes out in your playing. Well done.

18. Lilypad- What a sweet little piece. You play it very, very well.
Posted By: marklings Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 11:57 AM
My first bactch:

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel
Charming, sensitive, well played.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major
A very very difficult one, I am still trying to learn it, I know how difficult it really is. I appreciate your willingness to show all the inner phrasing and underline the main one, well done there. Maybe a tad faster and a little bit more “flowing”.


23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3.
Allemande-Corrente
Very challenging but you cope with that beautifully, congratulations.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
Nice on a piece less easy than it seems, I like the synchronization of the two hands in the fast passages.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
Well, not bad at all for such a difficult piece, well done on the left hand octaves. Others have more competently than me commented on your technique. I have only one more comment: 1 ½ years experience, really ?
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 02:26 PM
19. Thepianoplayer 416- As always, such a delightful piece to listen to. You did great but probably need to work on "the flow" a little more. It sounds like it's almost there.

20. Snejana- I really like the overall theme. It truly does give one a feeling of dispair and hopelessnessand even has a slight Russian feel to it. I could see this playing as a backdrop to the frightening scenes we are seeing.

21. sandalholme- Very nice. I like how short and to the point these works are. Well done!

22. Flygbladet- I know nothing about online games but I hear this as just a very interesting, challenging piece. You play it with great command!!
Posted By: Agrajag Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I

Ok, seeing this I had to have a look. Now, I will not be as nice as the other posters because I don't believe being nice is the purpose of the recital comments and you asked for critical comments so here you go.
No worries! I do value critique.

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
For example, the scalar passages are very uneven and you are twisting your elbow and turning your hand sideways, which is a big problem.
After reading this, I made a small adjustment by moving my body rather than my forearm, and the descending chromatic scale instantly became a lot smoother. I've come across all these details before, but I guess I don't internalize them unless I'm reminded once in a while, so thank you for that!

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Another one is how you play the tremolos with your fingers only with no rotation. In general, you seem to be doing too much isolated finger movement and not enough supporting hand and arm movements.
This is another thing I need to remind myself of more often. It's worth mentioning that I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about getting injured. I can't label playing piano as a strenuous activity. If anything, it helps me recuperate from other things, since all the light movement serves to promote blood flow. But I guess this point also relates to the musical result, so I'll still be trying to remedy this.

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Do you have a teacher?
I don't. This will never be more than a small hobby, so I'm not looking for one either.

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
but I seriously think you're doing yourself a disservice in the long term by playing such an advanced piece. You're just going to ingrain bad technique. You should really try to learn things more appropriate for your level.
I agree. Learning this definitely didn't feel productive. I could have learned 10 intermediate pieces in its place, while also playing them to a higher standard.

Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Just make sure you count in the grave section.
I actually did count when I started learning it. In fact, I thought I had this part under control. The excessive rubato (e.g. measure 9) quickly became apparent now that you've mentioned it. Some structure in my practice will hopefully clear this all up. 👍
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 09:29 PM
A few comments to start..

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel completely new to me, but I loved this. The 'music box' opening really had me transfixed. Thanks

02. MarieJ - Luminous absolutely my kind of music and why I love his music. I felt you kept it beautifully dreamy throughout, and got the sound spot on. Thanks for playing this.

05. briangmoore - Chanson lovely gentle piece. A pleasure to listen to.

Hopefully several more to follow.
Thanks very much to tyschoco, peyton, ido and ted for your very kind comments.
Posted By: Agrajag Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by AndresVel
32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I Awesome effort and a lot of courage too for deciding to tackle this piece so early in your piano learning process. I think there a lot of good things in your recording already. You played it with a lot of musicality. A lot of dynamic variation and exploration, which I think is essential when practicing any piece. As you mention, it still requires some work. I have the impression that some sections still represent a big challenge technically speaking, specially when trying to bring out the piece up to tempo. I would recommend to focus on some of those aspects in case you are considering to continue working on this piece. I am not a teacher so I would not comment on those in detail. I would only mention one small thing that sort of caught my attention given the big chords one plays in this piece, and that is that that you could involve the wrists a bit more when playing them. This helps to join them and play them more legato and in that way to not depend so much on finger movement only. Another aspect I have been trying to focus on in these past months is to be able to play a piece to my satisfaction consistently, and not only sporadically. From my experience, recording these larger works is a challenge on its own, and really feeling you have the piece very well under your fingers helps with that process too. But this was overall a great submission! Keep up the hard work! your process is outstanding smile
I really appreciate your thoughtful comments. They're a highlight. smile

Learning this has certainly been a challenge. I have yet to decide how much effort I want to put into polishing it. I find it difficult to imagine being able to perform this piece consistently. Perhaps I'll just jump straight to a few intermediate pieces for a change of pace.

Originally Posted by marklings
32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
I have only one more comment: 1 ½ years experience, really ?
Really.

I could elaborate on my background if you're curious. I've noticed some people like leaving out pertinent details, which in turn only leads to further skepticism toward quick learners. If the dislikes on my youtube channel are any indication, lots of people are skeptical of me as well, so I'll try to be thorough.

I have no previous experience with the piano, or anything resembling one. I make no distinction between serious and casual playing. I did however play guitar recreationally in my teens (I'm currently 30 years old). Music theory was not part of it. I used simple tablature to learn songs, and relied on muscle memory and my ears to play. If I couldn't find any tabs for any particular song, I would just transcribe them myself by listening and watching videos of the artists playing. https://i.imgur.com/9dIAjqy.png here's an example, just for perspective. I used to share these on ultimate-guitar.com, until they were swiftly removed, at least. I guess I'm saying this to convey that some musical aspects just come naturally to me.

I didn't grow up in a musical household. As far as I know, no one in my household or extended family even played an instrument.

I played lots of Guitar Hero in my teens. At a world-class level, I might add. I developed plenty of finger dexterity, speed and a sense of rhythm in those years.

Now I can only postulate at how these factors relate to piano, but I'd guess my guitar (hero) background, coupled with a naturally critical ear have given me a substantial headstart.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Very interesting improvisation. I don't even know how i could pull off all these interesting harmonies and rhythms lol. Very nice musical material to listen to. I think the only critique is that some scale passages could sound a little more even. But that is a pretty tall order considering the nature of improvisation. Hope to hear more!

Thanks for listening, I am pleased you found something of interest. Your observation about evenness is acute. In this particular case a day's hard labour and resistance training probably roughened the finger work up a bit, but by and large I have come to doubt the effectiveness of the traditional ideals of legato and smoothness for idea generation in improvisation. You are also perceptive in that spontaneous playing allows no time to work out optimal fingerings for special positions. All one can do is accumulate a large array of playing forms which are generally applicable, turn things over to the unconscious and hope for the best.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/17/22 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by Peyton
12. Ted- Ted, I always find your pieces technically interesting but, and perhaps this is just my love of jazz improvisation, crave more of a "theme" that you would improvise on and run with. Does that make sence? Anyway, always an interesting listen.

You make perfect sense. My teacher in my youth was a hugely accomplished professional of immense natural ability in both classical and jazz and my playing and compositions fifty years ago lay along the lines you mention. Around the age of fifty-five I had tired of the traditional modes of musical expression and decided I wanted something different for the later years of my life. Hearing the solo concerts of Jarrett triggered the notion that recorded free improvisation was a possibility. I didn't always like Jarrett's specific piano language but the idea that a recorded improvisation could constitute a permanent artistic end product, largely thanks to recent technology, was most appealing. Forty years ago I wrote and played little except lyric melodies, some of them are on the Pianoworld CD. Lyricism has never lost its charm.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 01:36 AM
Here's my next lot:

02. MarieJ - Luminous
Simply beautiful. Lady P just walked by and thought I was listening to a professional recording. I can only agree with that.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
Wonderfully expressive, this is one of my favourites so far. Your playing is dynamite, as must the beautiful maiden have been!

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1
Truly exceptional. This was a very meaningful performance. The melodies sang with a beautiful limpid tone, and balanced against the rich harmonies perfectly. I am jealous of both the playing and the drool-worthy piano!

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major
Great performance, really expressive. It was calmly uplifting for me, like watching a sunrise. I had a listen to the second part and, while it is a bit of a slap in the chops, I don’t mind it. If the first part was like seeing the sun rise, perhaps at the top of a mountain, the second is birds bursting into song as I frolick back down into the valley. I love it when music evokes strong reactions though, and I don’t think your performance lost anything by skipping it.

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3
I love Chopin’s waltzes and here you really do it justice. I particularly liked how you brought out the romantic melodic lines in each hand without losing the dance quality. Lovely!

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13
These were great, some sounding quite lyrical to me. Your ornaments were very impressive.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
A lovely romantic rendition with sensitive dynamics. I think you were definitely successful in creating a singing line, and the long runs in the climax were impressive. Love the Freddy portrait too.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
Your playing sounds great, especially in bringing out the different voices so clearly. Overall it was well-balanced, energetic and sounded very secure. Your piano sounded really nice too.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
I don’t know this song but I enjoyed your arrangement very much. I liked the interesting harmonies and there was plenty of feeling packed in.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
Great work on this challenging and substantial piece. To echo what others have said, it’s really impressive to be tackling this. Well done.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
Very evocative. Everything is dying back and there is a wistful sadness. Your dynamic contrasts were very tasteful.
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 11:10 AM
Couple more...

10. Peyton - Etude #2 really like this one. I was particularly impressed with the way you had the stamina to keep all the beautiful phrasing right to the end. Big thumbs up

13. peterws - Summertime Ended I have absolutely no idea how you did that, but I loved it. Just a shame Ella and Satchmo aren't available to join you.
Posted By: facdo Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 12:30 PM
Nice! I see some interesting submissions, but I haven’t been able to listen yet. I will be on vacation next week so I will have plenty of time to listen and comment. Meanwhile, I just want to express my gratitude for the kind comments that I received. Thank you so much! I will answer each one individually:

Josephine83, I am moved by your comment! I also love this piece, so I worked really hard on it. So I am really glad to hear that you enjoyed it, especially considering that it is one of your favorite pieces.

Pianist685, I am honored that you thought I was a professional, but I am nowhere near that skill level. In any case, this piece was quite special to me, so I wanted to make the best possible recording I could. But I felt a bit of pressure from Beethoven looking at me haha.

Peyton, oh, thank you! Yeah, I was super excited about this piano. I didn’t expect that I would play on that piano. The store owners were really generous and kind.

KenBakerMN, thank you so much! And I appreciate your feedback about the middle section. I agree that it is nice when there is an accelerando and crescendo leading to the appassionato section. That is easier to do if you start the piu animato, with the double notes in the right hand, a bit slower. But I really like that effect of fast double notes being played very softly. I wasn’t able to do that, even though I practiced that passage like crazy. In my personal piano it was a bit easier to put the right hand as a soft effect, highlighting the left hand melody. But the action in the Bösendorfer was perfectly effortless, completely different from the “cloggy” old action from my personal piano. So I struggle to play that part, because I practiced in a much heavier action. Also, the concert grand tone is incredibly clear, so it showed every imperfection in my playing. In my piano, the sound kind of gets blurred together, so it ends up hiding my mistakes a lot better haha. But yeah, I still think that piece is too technically difficult for me. I also wanted to do a bit of an accelerando in that chordal passage that leads to the appassionato section. But that part is insanely difficult and I am not able to do it cleanly in a faster tempo. I will keep playing this piece and I hope to refine my interpretation as I progress in my piano journey. Thanks again for the comment!

tyschoco, thank you! I was really happy to play on that piano, but also felt a lot of pressure to do a good performance. I agree with your criticism and the melodic shaping in the piu animato section was flawed. I had a better take, the last one I did, but I made a mistake and ended up recording it in mono, so with a single microphone. I had to discard that take and use the ones I had available, that I was not entirely happy about. But I think I am still a beginner, kind of. This piece is obviously too difficult for me, so considering my limitations I think I did a nice job.

QuentinP, thank you! The tone on that Bösendorfer is amazing and I was really lucky to be able to play on it. I still think I am not skilled enough to bring out the real potential of that instrument, but I really tried my best.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 03:04 PM
6 Pianist 685

Well done. Hugely enjoyable blast from the past (might not be, but sounded so!) it had a strange atmosphere wi the strings and echo, and that. Nice to be able to sing. I played in church, and started out on the songs, stopping as soon as the congrgation took up the slack...

7 Stevedoz

Excellent work on an awkward tune, harmonics, (!!) rhythm . . . it flows lovely. Absolutely no criticism. I couldn't do it anyway . . .haha

8 AndresVel

I haven't yet recovered from my last Mozart which was too exhausting to learn, and certainly to maintain. I get my fun in strange ways these days(!) and Mozart, Beeth, Ch and the rest aren't a part any longer. But it's good to hear this, and others who still do it.
This sounds like a kiddie's lullaby at the start, like others he wrote. Then the fun starts.
I hope you had fun. It was great to listen to and your piano sounds lovely and clear and is more in tune than my digital. You've come to terms that nothing's perfect, (never heard anything wrong myself) and you're looking forwards to the immense amount of stuff out there still to be conquered!
I wish you well, and love your enthusiasm!
If I might, a little more light and shade even if the music doesn't call for it! And give it a BIG ending!

9 PianogrlNY

First thing I heard on this; your piano sings in a melodic female fashion. .I like this Scarlatti stuff; very tuneful and appealing in a subtle Gothic way. Like Bach with feeling if you see what I mean.
Really lovely and touching, Ellen. I shall have to look into that. Maybe Scarlatti didn't issue dynamics because he knew the player would feel them as the music progressed, as you did. And if they didn't, then why should he care overmuch?

10 Peyton.

Funny thing about Pianoteq, and that which evokes much criticism, is that it sounds like a piano in a tunnel, or something. It doesnt. When you listen to a recording such as this, you're aware of a piano playing in an environment.
This doesn't seem simple, but it's moving in it's own way, and involves a lot of work in getting it right.
Sounded great; I hope you get over your recent losses. And the Kawai ain't so bad . . smile
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 05:33 PM
Peyton - Thank you for listening to and commenting on my piece.

Continuing on listening and commenting on performances -

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel - Really beautiful piece. I'm glad you took a break from your other projects and shared it for this recital.

02. MarieJ - Luminous - Lovely Einaudi piece with interesting recreation of the original sound.

03. Sam S - Idyll - That was a dreamy sounding piece and a joy to listen to. Thank you and Tootles for sharing this gorgeous piece.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major - I'm not sure if I've ever heard this Bach piece, so I'm glad you chose it. I love all the voices in it and feel you succeeded very well in making them clearly heard.

05. briangmoore - Chanson - Charming piece. I'm glad you chose one of Nancy Faber's compositions to share for this recital. I've discovered a number of lovely compositions of hers while going through the Piano Adventures series. Well done!

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady - What a cool project. You have a great sounding voice! It's probably not your ambition, but you'd compete favorably with lots of pop stars I've heard.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa - Fascinating piece with interesting harmonies. Thank you for introducing this composer.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545 - Congratulations. How exciting for you to play your first sonata. An accomplishment to be proud of. I'm not sure if I've ever heard more than just the 1st movement, so it was nice to hear the sonata in its entirety. Bravo!
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 05:41 PM
11 Rickster

Oooh! I liked this; it rocks! Has all the atmosphere of live music, and the piano talks. Your voice is tailored to this, definitely. Love the rythm, voice reminds me of a young Jagger who actually learnt how to sing. Authentic and it seems you have Georgia on your mind.
Now we have too!

12 Ted

There is no intro, no end. It rolls, for an eternity until you (perhaps) get hungry. Or your hands get tired.
It creates atmosphere which one can interpret using life experience skills, as a film-maker might.
Maybe a messy divorce, a horrible set of options or an uncertainty of the future, or even the meaning of life.
Oh hℓ it's me who's getting carried away now . . .
I hope you get out of this mess, Ted! Was she really worth it? smile
That was a quick 8 mins . . . Well done!

13 Peterws

Rick mightn't take kindly to this . . . .

14 facdo

Wonderful recording of this Chopinesque piece. The Bose was excellent, and you'll be chuffed to play that. The B on Yamaha digitals seems designed to sound as different as chalk and cheese to their CFX grand, which it does.
The Rach bit comes in soon enough, with those big darned awkward chords.
I appreciate how difficult it is to do this in one. But you'd have done yourself no harm in leaving in the roughage!
You'll be wanting one o' these soon, then?

15 Serge 88

Pianoteq never sounded so good, so sweet. The Bechstein?
You have a nice feel for this; I enjoyed it hugely; full of atmosphere and highly relaxing. A little more time and those those runs will flow great.

16 QuasiUnaFantasia

Steady rhythm, with interesting phrasing, which you bring out. We're always introduced to unheard of stuff here, are it's always most welcome. This is a lovely example.

17 Ido

Love the earthy sound of that piano. How old is it? I'd love one sounding like that. It comes to life, luxuriant, resonant, expressive. I loved the way you played it. Who could criticise? Not I! Well done!

18 Lilypad

Lovely music, expressively played. Wish it was longer!

19 Thepianoplayer 416

I've heard this one or two times on this forum. Sounds good, man.

20 Snejana

It's hard to imagine the suffering inflicted on those folk. I remember the tanks moving into was it Hungary in the 50s, and the damage wrought was unbelievable so soon after the war had finshed, and they'd received so much help from us to stave off the Germans.
You capture the aftermath the despair. Well done.

Really enjoyed these, guys.
Posted By: Swede Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 08:43 PM
14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1
Lovely sound you produce, new nice piece to me, i think double note section is magical. How wonderful to play a piano that expressive. Hope you can record more from that store and Bösendorfer.

(By the way, thanks for the surprisingly positive feedback on my little Schumann contribution, it’s ok to give critical comments also.)
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 09:28 PM
Continuing...

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline this is a very sweet piece. I'd like to see the sheet music for this, to understand the tempo changes etc. but very nicely executed. I might like to try this one day. Thanks

18. lilypad - Nightfall very pleasant. I have to be honest, I don't know what the composer was trying to portray specifically, but I did sense a very calm country scene with the light fading. It felt very positive and I thought you played it with real sensitivity. Thanks
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 10:04 PM
Thank you very much MarieJ, peterws, and lilypad for your very nice comments. After so much time working on a piece, they are very encouraging and motivating. really appreciate them smile

Here some new comments from my side:

03. Sam S - Idyll What a wonderful piece and wonderful recording. The piece gave me Debussy vibes. Your playing was great and the melodies on the clarinet were outstanding. The recording sounded very professional! I would like to know how the you came up to that recording setup. I remember you were testing using more mics and mic placement not long ago. Very enjoyable submission. How great it has to be to have someone so close to you at home to make music with smile

13. peterws - Summertime Ended I am not familiar with Gershwin music, so this one was a first one for me. It has to be a cool project to make an arrangement on your own. I remember you did one too for the Mozart some recitals ago if I am not mistaken, which I really enjoy. This one was no exception. I think you are too hard on yourself. This sounds very fun and it clearly shows you are enjoying your time at the piano, which is always the ultimate goal. Great job and thank you for sharing smile

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente Kepijapa, so cool that you continued working on the Partita and that you decided to share it with us. I really love this piece. I think you did an outstanding job with the Allemande in terms of not losing the rhythm. I can see it can be a challenging one in that department, given the mix of dotted rhythms and demisemiquavers among both hands. The fact you almost never went out of rhythm and that you could integrate some nice ornaments all throughout is great stuff. I would perhaps suggest to highlight a bit more the different motifs in the repeats and to keep an eye on some of the rolled chords. Then I checked the music for the Corrente and could understand why you found it challenging. It looks rhythmically even more complicated than the Allemande. I think you are on a good way with this piece. Are you gonna keep working on the Corrente? I think it will be worth it. It seems like a great way to work on hard rhythms and syncopation. Thank you very much for sharing, it was very good smile

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 Yeahh new music. Thank you for introducing us to a new composer. These two pieces were very emotive. They sound very sad but also very nostalgic. I think you did a good job with shaping the phrases and conveying the character of the piece. Lovely. Thank you for sharing.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 11:14 PM
“12 Ted

There is no intro, no end. It rolls, for an eternity until you (perhaps) get hungry. Or your hands get tired.
It creates atmosphere which one can interpret using life experience skills, as a film-maker might.
Maybe a messy divorce, a horrible set of options or an uncertainty of the future, or even the meaning of life.
Oh hℓ it's me who's getting carried away now . . .
I hope you get out of this mess, Ted! Was she really worth it? smile
That was a quick 8 mins . . . Well done!”

Who’s a gloom shroom then ? It was all pretty jolly to me but, as I’ve been told, I’m likely a “true musical pervert”. Pleased it tweaked your imagination Peter, thanks for listening.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/18/22 11:47 PM
Thanks Ido, lilypad, Pianist685, marklings, and QuentinP for your comments.

I have some more comments, this time (mostly) focused on those who submitted their performances earlier. I continue to be impressed by the great skill reflected in the recital submissions.

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel

I’ve come to expect excellent performances from you, and you certainly did not disappoint. Thanks for the submission.

02. MarieJ - Luminous

You conveyed a great deal of a emotion in your playing, which sounded flawless to me.

03. Sam S - Idyll

Great playing from you both, and you brought out the tranquil nature of the piece rather well.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major

Counterpoint isn’t easy, but you did a fantastic job with this. I really enjoyed this.

05. briangmoore - Chanson

This is a beautiful little song and you did fine job.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady

You call it a foolish song, but I enjoyed it. I’m particularly impressed by how you combined so many different elements to create a cohesive production.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa

I really liked your performance, including the dynamic contrasts. This sounds rather sad given the title, as if the composer is remembering the one who got away.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545

Very precise and disciplined playing. I agree with you about the difficulty of the first movement. I had to play it a long time before I felt comfortable submitting a recording of it. Even after I got it to 80-90%, there were always places where my fingers would tend to fumble, and if I fixed that, I would “spring a leak” somewhere else.

Question: On Measure 15 (about 0:39), it sounds like the trill is a bit delayed. Is that intentional?

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380

This sonata and K 466 are my favorite Scarlatti sonatas. Like Horowitz, you play it a bit slower than I was accustomed to. I’ve always imagined this as a sprightly dance at a ball, but listening to your performance and Horowitz’s, I see there is another way to envision this piece.

10. Peyton - Etude #2

This is well-played and enjoyable. You did a great job of maintaining interest by highlighting the different layers of sound and the constantly evolving nature of an essentially static work.

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"

Nice singing and playing! First time hearing a Tokai piano and it sounded just fine.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13

This is just fantastic. Excellent playing and excellent harpsichord sound. I’m curious: (1) What capabilities (if any) does the virtual harpsichord have that the real instrument would not have? (2) Did you change how you play for the virtual harpsichord versus a piano?
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 01:19 AM
29. kenbakermn- What a lovely arrangement and beautiful playing.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 01:29 AM
26. Kevin M- Very smooth and controlled playing! Just sounds wonderful.

23. Kepijapa-Absolutely lovely playing. I could listen to this all day.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 01:30 AM
Thanks everyone for your kind comments about our Clarinet/Piano piece. They are much appreciated. We are traveling, so my comments on other pieces have been delayed.

Originally Posted by AndresVel
03. Sam S - Idyll What a wonderful piece and wonderful recording. The piece gave me Debussy vibes. Your playing was great and the melodies on the clarinet were outstanding. The recording sounded very professional! I would like to know how the you came up to that recording setup. I remember you were testing using more mics and mic placement not long ago. Very enjoyable submission. How great it has to be to have someone so close to you at home to make music with smile

Separate mics for the piano and clarinet fed into a Scarlett interface. The recording is done with Logic Pro X. Two cameras - a Zoom Q8 and an iphone. So I start the cameras and the audio recording at about the same time - it's not important to synchronize them when recording - which I will explain below.

Then I add some reverb to the audio recording in Logic Pro - the clarinet definitely sounds better with reverb. Do not trim the audio recording, but export it.

Get the camera recordings onto the laptop. Then I use Final Cut Pro to make the video. It will automagically synchronize the audio and multiple video recordings based on the audio, and using the audio recording as the final audio. This is truly magic. Then I trim the beginning and ending. There is a multi-camera view that you use to change from one camera angle to another while the video is playing back. Cool. Export the final video...

So, all the hard work is done in software and I couldn't do it without it. This is on a mac, but I would be willing to bet there is similar software for windows.

Of course, the real hard work is preparing the piece. We practice separately, then together. Trying to make the recording can be very frustrating. If a take doesn't go right, then I have to get up, stop everything, restart and try again.

But we are having fun with it. Tootles has severe arthritis in her hands, with joints that have degenerated. She will have surgery on one of her thumbs next month. So we are trying to make as many recordings as we can while we still can. But it is what it is. Getting old can be difficult, but the alternative to getting old is - worse!

Sam
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 05:28 AM
Originally Posted by Sam S
But we are having fun with it. Tootles has severe arthritis in her hands, with joints that have degenerated. She will have surgery on one of her thumbs next month. So we are trying to make as many recordings as we can while we still can. But it is what it is. Getting old can be difficult, but the alternative to getting old is - worse!

Sam

I wish your wife well. There's always something waiting in the wings to clobber you when you get older. Our hospital treatment might be free, but after the pandemic (which may yet revive) surgery waiting lists are years long in some cases. I can see many surgeons going private after all this.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 08:35 PM
Thank you peterwys and stevedoz for listening and kind remarks on my recital piece and performance.

Here are more comments from me after listening to a few more performers -

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380 - What a joyous sound! I'm definitely glad you didn't go with the funeral interpretation. Your interpretation made the piece into a lovely musical living thing. Well done!

10. Peyton - Etude #2 - Thank you for sharing this stunning piece. It's like you were always meant to play it and bring it to life. The sound was lovely.

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie" - There are so many things to like about this - the classic left hand boogie lick, the right hand on-off rhythm, gospel chord voicing in places, fun lyrics, your singing voice and the sound of that piano.

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace - After the grass mowing discussion I was influenced to think about my own experience mowing a sparse lawn on rocky soil. The texture of much of the music seemed to fit, but after listening a second time and thinking about it, mountain biking on a rocky trail came to mind with all the interesting variations of scenery along the way. The latter part of the improvisation brought to mind the title of the piece. A lost game due to a forgotten fourth ace - sadness in some slow reflective passages mixed in with almost frenzied frustration and finally calm acceptance.
Wonderful playing in this recital. smile But we're short one third of our regular participants, I hope they will return with renewed vigour and enthusiasm.

Thank you very much Peyton, tyschoco, QuentinP, and peterws for your kind comments!

Here's my first batch of comments:

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel
Very calm and peaceful start to the recital. Sounded perfectly executed to me. Maybe this Japanese music is growing on me, hmmm. Keep it coming! smile

02. MarieJ - Luminous
Another calm and serene piece, flowing peacefully like a leaf on a gentle stream. Pianoteq almost sounds like a felted guitar here. smile

03. Sam S - Idyll
A treat! Very dreamy, and pleasant to listen to.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major
Bach isn't really my thing, but this one is one my personal wish list. And your rendition was absolutely beautiful, all the way through.

05. briangmoore - Chanson
Another calm and gentle piece, is that a theme this quarter? smile I liked it very much.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
What a tour de force! Impressive in so many ways, and very entertaining.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
Yet another peaceful and gentle melody, but with some very unusual stuff going on there in the middle. Quite interesting, and beautifully played.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545
Really nicely played. Hugely impressive for two years of experience.

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380
For a funeral procession it sounded rather a lot like children playing happily without a care in the world. smile Very nice performance!
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 09:10 PM
2 more. I'd love to tackle both of these but I think they are out of my reach

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music great performance of this. Lovely and tight, exciting and engaging. I felt it was a bit mysterious as well. Marvellous.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal this is a delicious piece. So well executed. Can I ask where you got the sheets from? I've listened to this at least 3 times already. Thanks so much
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 10:44 PM
Thanks to lilypad, Rachtoven and QuasiUnaFantasia - your comments are very much appreciated!

Here are a few more comments of my own:

03. Sam S - Idyll
Wonderful! It was indeed very tranquil. Both instruments sounded great and I think the balance between the two was just right. All the best to Tootles, and I hope her surgery goes smoothly and improves things for her.

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Fantastic! Very cool music and great lyrics. It must be so enjoyable to be able to compose like this – you are clearly very talented.

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Very imaginative. This had a somewhat ominous air to me, which eventually segued into something a little more hopeful, which felt like a relief! Well done.

18. lilypad - Nightfall
What a lovely piece. Your playing was open and sensitive and really did it justice. Gorgeous.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
You conveyed desolate emotions really well with this heartfelt playing. Well done.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 10:54 PM
Argh, I also meant to say thank you to Marklings for your comments, also much appreciated. Sorry about that!
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 11:17 PM
03. Sam S - Idyll

Exquisite music and playing. I have always considered myself eclectic but once again you have drawn my attention to another valuable source of listening pleasure. I had never heard of Bozza and had to look him up. What a talent he must have been. Like several posters here I envy the unified music making of you two. My wife has a much better ear than mine and sings in choirs performing all those big requiems. We’d be at each other’s throats after the first five minutes, no taste overlap at all. Arthritis is damned awful and I hope its treatment brings lasting amelioration and continued music for both of you.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 11:45 PM
24. Jerzyk19- I really liked this. You were into it... and that makes a difference.

25. zsolpyW A very emotional performance. Well done.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by lilypad
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace - After the grass mowing discussion I was influenced to think about my own experience mowing a sparse lawn on rocky soil. The texture of much of the music seemed to fit, but after listening a second time and thinking about it, mountain biking on a rocky trail came to mind with all the interesting variations of scenery along the way. The latter part of the improvisation brought to mind the title of the piece. A lost game due to a forgotten fourth ace - sadness in some slow reflective passages mixed in with almost frenzied frustration and finally calm acceptance.

I am against anything rigid or fixed in musical meaning and I am always pleased when listeners impose their own images and meanings. Thanks for your thoughts and for listening.


Originally Posted by QuentinP
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Very imaginative. This had a somewhat ominous air to me, which eventually segued into something a little more hopeful, which felt like a relief! Well done.

Some would say I have far too much imagination but music is all about imagination and magic isn't it ? Ominous ? Yes, come to think of it, parts of it are rather. Thanks for listening.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 11:55 PM
27. Marklings- If this were a fly ball... you caught it! Wonderful flow and feeling!! Loved it!

28. Rachtoven- Wow, short, but so much there. Absolutely great flow. well played. Bravo!
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/19/22 11:59 PM
A few more comments

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major

I liked this a lot! Well done. I would have never expected that Bruckner would compose this. To me, it sounds a bit like modern quasi-classical pop.

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3

Very nicely and sensitively played! I was not familiar with this waltz.

18. lilypad - Nightfall

I enjoyed this. Your playing was precise, and I liked your expressive use of dynamics.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze

You did a good job here. Thanks for your submission.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place

Your improvisation was moving and well executed. Although improvised, your use of contrast imparted an underlying structure to the music. Well done!
Many thanks, AndresVel, lilypad, Peyton, QuentinP and Rachtoven for your comments. To answer some questions. Finding Couperin etc: I owned a harpsichord for time and gravitated to the French school, lived near a university city and a bookshop that sold everything, so bought all Couperin, Rameau, Duphly keyboard works. (Needless to say, there is much I haven't played!) Ornamentation: much exposure to the heavily ornamented French school and no dynamics on a harpsichord, so one less skill to master, basically just get your fingers working evenly in terms of tempo. (And crisply) Lyrical: yes, not generally expected in Baroque music, but the 18C French keyboard music precedes composers like Debussy and Ravel, it must be in the genes. Virtual vs real: a real harpsichord has an action which is very different from a real piano or a digital keyboard. There is an initial resistance when pressing a key, than an absence of any once the quill/plectrum is past the string. This bothers many people, but not me, fortunately. The real instrument - in terms of the "standard" 2 manual, 3 register instruments - is easier to change registers, even though changing registers should be done sparingly. Having only one keyboard, I assign out of compass notes and 2 of the 3 pedals to make changing registers quicker. In this sense, the real instrument has a greater capability: in French rondeaux, there's a tendency to have linking bars to each section, so altering the tone colour is easier on a real instrument when going from section to section. Changing from virtual piano to virtual harpsichord: in reverse it's easier. The hand position, articulation and phrasing are so different on a harpsichord, virtual or real, that going to it from a "piano" position can be tricky. The other way, your hand positions change relatively freely and, in effect, you return to what you are most familiar with. Going from harpsichord to piano means concentrating on the greater hand discipline and precision of how light and shade, accents etc (or the illusion of such) need to be achieved.
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 12:30 PM
30. Swede- I've always loved this piece.m I always picture some children sitting around an old sailer uncle as he tells them stories of his journies. You played it well and with feeling.

31. PikaPianist- I can't even say just "wow" on this one. You play like a professional. Amazing playing.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 12:45 PM
10. Peyton - Etude #2
While I didn't bond with the piece, your playing is really really great, as always. You mentioned the octaves - they sounded plenty smooth to me. And the piano sound is very rich.

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Very groovy, you are a pro entertainer!

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major
This is beautiful. Very expressive playing.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
I think you've captured the spirit of the piece, especially by precisely following the rests marking - it gives the right hand the spot light.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13
This definitely sounds professional. You manage to create an illusion of dynamics, even though the harpsicode doesn't have this function.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
Love it. Games music can be very good. I remember someone playing the entire Rayman soundtrack on piano.

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
Very impressive playing. Your playing reminds me bit of Schiff's.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
Beautiful! That's a wonderful birthday gift.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1
Sounds great, a very good performance!

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
Great performance of a challenging piece.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
You've asked for critical comments, so let's start:
1. I think you play this piece in a very interesting way (i.e. not boring), I like it a lot.
2. Your overall expression is amazing.
3. Wow

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
Well played!

35. winterflower - daffodils
A relaxing piece, I think the name is appropriate. Beautiful.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 01:25 PM
Still on the road, but found a little more time to listen!

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15 Well done!

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite) Wonderful! Professional as always.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I Kudos for trying such a challenging piece. I hope you will get lots of helpful comments - I have never played it, so I'm just offering encouragement. I think the opening was great - wonderful dynamics. I think you handled the speedup well - some parts are not so smooth and their are odd accents, but it was very good. Well done!

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 Interesting! I have never heard these, obviously. Wonderful playing, and thanks for introducing them!

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10) So dreamy. And like a lot of Tchaikovsky, so deliciously sad. He's sad, and he's glad he's sad, and is going to enjoy it. Well done!

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786 You don't hear this one very often, but it's great, so I don' know why. Nice ornaments in the left hand (and right hand, but the left is so much harder). Loved it!

Sam
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 05:25 PM
Thank you, QuentinP and Rachtoven for listening and kind remarks.

After another pleasant listening session last evening ...

13. peterws - Summertime Ended - Wow! That was delightful! It reminds me of when a jazz pianist launches into a solo based on the tune being performed - only much better! I hope you decide to do similar projects and share them.

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1 - What a treat it was to see and hear your remarkable performance of a challenging piece on such a special piano. Thank you for sharing the moment.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline - That was just lovely. Gorgeous music and very well played.

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major - Thank you for introducing Bruckner! The sound really is magical.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home - A beautiful arrangement and a real pleasure to listen to.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15 - Your performance of this charming piece seemed just right to me. It sounded very musical and I didn't notice any technical deficiency.
Posted By: Rickster Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 09:35 PM
Here are my comments on all the submissions. I must say, after listening to all these great performances, I feel even more like the oddball of the bunch. All I can say is we are who we are, musically or otherwise.

I really enjoyed listening to all the performances, and none of them were shabby! Most were highly advanced, in my view. Loved them all! smile

01 Calavera; Forever Rachel by Uematsu, Nobuo; Interesting and calming to listen to. The piano sounded very good, and the playing was superb!

02 MarieJ; Luminous by Ludovico Einaudi: Lovely indeed! Love the left hand, and the piano sounded great! Beautifully played!

03 Sam S; Idyll by Eugene Bozza; Another fabulous performance, Sam, both you and Laurie! You both play so well! Enjoyed it much!

04 QuentinP; WTK1 Fugue 1 C major by Bach; Nice playing, and I like the coordination between the left and right hands. Well done!

05 briangmoore; Chanson by Nancy Faber; Lovely piece, very comforting to listen to. Nice performance for sure!

06 pianist685 (Constantin); She's a lady by Richard Sanderson; A familiar tune, and the accompaniment backup on the digital piano made it sound like a full orchestra! Singing was great too! A great performance!

07 stevedoz; Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa by Alberto Ginastera; Easy listening, and a beautiful piece! The piano sounded great also! Well played!

08 AndresVel; Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545 by W. A. Mozart; Another beautiful, and familiar Classical piece(s), and very well played. I enjoyed it much. You are very accomplished on the piano!

09 PianogrlNW (Ellen); Sonata in E Major K 380 by Scarlatti; Absolutely beautiful, and well played! Your Schimmel piano sound great!

10 Peyton; Etude #2 by Philip Glass: Another familiar Classical piece, Peyton, and you played it superbly! Outstanding!

12 Ted Jones; The Fourth Ace by Ted Jones; Wow, sounds sophisticated, Ted! Similar to other Classical pieces, yet different, because it is your own composition! I'm impressed, and I admire you!

13 peterws; Summertime Ended by Gershwin; A familiar piece, and skillfully played! You play very well, Peter! I enjoyed listening!

14 facdo; Elegie Op.3 No.1 by Rachmaninoff; Beautifully played! I love the low bass on the Rachmaninoff pieces!

15 Serge88; Ballade pour Adeline by Paul de Senneville; Another Classical piece I've heard before, and you played it so well! Love the chord changes and the sequence of notes!

16 QuasiUnaFantasia; Fantasie in G major by Bruckner, A.; A lovely piece, and played with passion! I love the expression you put into playing this piece! Very well played!

17 Ido; Waltz Op.70 No.3 by Chopin; Sounded great, and well played! I like the stride style exhibited in the left hand.

18 lilypad; Nightfall by N. Faber; Beautiful, lilypad! It sounded great, and your Yamaha Clavinova sounded really good! I wish it had been a bit longer, because I was enjoying listening to it so much! And, for the record, I'm retired too, and love it so much!

19 thepianoplayer416; Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze by L. van Beethoven; Nice playing, and I enjoyed listening!

20 Snejana; The Ones Out of Place by Snejana Shegheva; Beautiful! And beautifully played! Your piano sounded very warm and mellow!

21 sandalholme; Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13 by F Couperin; First thoughts... surprising! And, a pleasant surprise indeed. Loved the harpsichord sound, and very well played! I enjoyed listening!

22 Flygbladet; Monkey Island 1 theme music by Michael Land; Sounded great, and it sounded like a difficult piece to play. But you played it well, without a hiccup!

23 Kepijapa; Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente by J.S. Bach; Well played, and it sounded fabulous! I loved the echo sound, like it was being playing in a concert hall. Well done!

24 Jerzyk19; Immortal by Evanecence; The piano sounded great, and your playing was superb! Very pleasant to listen to! Well done!

25 zsolpyW; Tell him by (?); An advance piece for sure, and well played! Left and right hands very well coordinated. I enjoyed listening!

26 KevinM; Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1 by Clementi; Wow, some great playing, and I like the upbeat tempo! And, you were playing all those notes and never missed a note! Well done!

27 Marklings; Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor by Chopin; Some advanced/experienced playing for sure! It sounded great, and I enjoyed listening!

28 Rachtoven; Invention No. 8 by J.S. Bach; Sounded great! It sounded like you had three hand while playing! Love the bouncy tempo!

29 kenbakermn; Letter From Home by Pat Metheny; Beautiful playing! I could hear and sense the experience under your hands and fingers! I enjoyed listening!

30 Swede; Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15 by Robert Schumann; Very well played, and great timing and tempo! I enjoyed listening!

31 PikaPianist; Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite) by Grieg; Outstanding! Fast fingers, and then some! Great performance!

32 Agrajag; Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I by Beethoven: Fabulous playing! You played that piece like it was your own! Outstanding job!

33 candela; Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 by Erland Sjunnesson; A lovely piece, and well played! Very pleasant listening! Great job!

34 Purrblast; October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10) by P.I. Tchaikovsky; Excellent playing, and your piano sounded delicious! I enjoyed listening very much!

35 winterflower; daffodils by winterflower; Such a lovely piece, and even more beautiful because it was your own composition! I enjoyed it much!

36 Tyschoco; Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786 by J.S Bach; More fast fingers, and upbeat tempo! Bravo! It's easy to tell you're an experienced player! Great job!

(Hope I didn't leave anyone out)

Rick
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 09:45 PM
Hey folks who commented on my "Letter From Home", thank you so much for the kind words.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 10:03 PM
21 Sandalholme

Never have I heard so many trills from so few pieces! You are a hero, or at least your fingers must be. Mostly written in minor keys, the music from this period exudes so much charm, which is hard to beat.
And such lovely playing. Well done. Hugely enjoyable.

22 Flygbladet

What exciting rhythm, such drive. My kind of music. Too short! Make it longer . . . .Brilliant choice for you.

23 Kepijapa

Lovely acoustics. Some years agao, Bach's 48 was played in a Spanish house, high ceiling, stone walls, and it sounded similar.
Great job. I admire anyone who stufies Bach. There's so much it leaves little room for anything else.
Superb Playing.

24 Jerzyk19

Plenty going on in there for anone. Well handles, sympathetically played. Very enjoyable.

25 ZolpyW

Thoroughly good sound, and a nicely involved birthday gift which she'd surely like.

26 KevinM

A clean delivery, articulate, and with a light airy touch entirely befitting for the music. Beautiful, and great quiet dynamics which take some doing. Excellent strong false finish to this, followed by the real thing. .

27 Marklings

Great work you do here. If I might; the usual ornaments need clarifying, and strengthening. The piece could aslo be a lot more dynamic, and perhaps a less of an even rhythm would make it a more strident piece, full of life.
This was my wife's favourite which she played on our old Broadwood grand when we had it. She played it about your speed (it's usually much faster, but I personally prefer otherwise).
But you did a fine job.

28 Rachtoven

You did well. I'd slow down a tad; it did sound a little like a race; it's such a tremendously relentless piece that there's little room for anything that's the slightest bit out of tempo being unnticed. It's 99% there anyway . . .

Great recital. Really enjoy listening and commenting. G'night guys!
Posted By: Jethro Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/20/22 10:51 PM
I haven’t had a chance to listen to the other recordings but my curiosity pushed me to watch your recording. Very impressive. That was one of the first classical pieces I learned as well but that was after 20 years of teaching myself on pop pieces and organ and clarinet lessons as a child. You figured out this piece better than I did without any teacher I wonder how great you could be with a teacher so I encourage that. I think you can improve your technique quite a bit but with even better technique the piece will really shine. Don’t take that as a criticism. I play this piece in the past as well and I think your overall performance is better than mine. More even tempo because someone doesn’t count. (Me) But I think my current piano teacher would be all over you for your technique. I say as long as you are enjoying it and don’t hurt yourself there’s no problem. She’s not letting me get away with it though. That said I think you have a talent. I hope you keep it up.

Can I ask what your typical practice regimen consists of? Do you just play pieces or do you practice scales, exercises? Method books? I’m interested how you achieved this level of play in only 1.5 years. Also have you tried this piece on an acoustic piano? Notice any difference? Does your left hand get fatigued?

Sorry this a question for 32. The pathetique presenter. Sorry on my iPhone.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Rickster
12 Ted Jones; The Fourth Ace by Ted Jones; Wow, sounds sophisticated, Ted! Similar to other Classical pieces, yet different, because it is your own composition! I'm impressed, and I admire you!

Gosh, sophisticated and classical, raise the flag, I've never been called those things. Thanks for the implied compliments and I am pleased you found something to like. We are all musically formed by our personal nature and ambient experience, you by the jazz and blues which you play superbly, me by a grotesque mixture of influence in a culturally isolated country (it isn't isolated now but it was sixty years ago).
Posted By: Peyton Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 12:51 AM
32. Agrajag- You have only been playing a year and a half??? You have got to be kidding me? Can't wait to hear you in another year and a half. Listz etudes? smile

33.candela- Very pretty and very nicely played.

34. Purrblast- Another beauriful piece wonderfully played. Great feeling.

35.winterflower- A very delicate delightful work.

36. Tyschoco- Doesn't sound at all last minute. Well done.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 01:37 AM
07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
I’m not familiar with the piece, but really enjoyed your performance - such an atmospheric composition. It would have been quite a challenge (even for people with very big hands). smile

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major
Successful? Definitely! I thought the Fugue sounded crystal clear, and you played it beautifully.

18. lilypad - Nightfall
A ‘simple’ piece, most sensitively played. My favourite type of music!

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
Energetic and fun. It seemed highly polished to me, and you deserve to be very happy with the result.

02. MarieJ - Luminous
Apart from the key signatures (5 flats to 4 sharps and back again!), at first glance I didn’t expect this piece to be particularly challenging. But the more I worked on it, the more I struggled - until I realised that the secret lies in the silence rather than the notes. smile

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major
Totally new to me, and I can see how Bruckner may have been considered a ‘groundbreaker’ for minimalism. I really enjoyed your performance of this gentle piece - lovely dynamics!

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie”
Takes me straight back to my rock’n’roll days! You gave your Casio, your voice and your Tokai G180 a terrific workout - super!
Posted By: Kepijapa Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 08:41 AM
Here is my first batch of comments, the most difficult part of the recital.


01. Calavera - Forever Rachel : Beautiful piece of music, beautifully played, you create a nice atmosphere. Your piano also sounds perfect

02. MarieJ - Luminous : This also sounds very beautiful, I like the sound, what piano did you use in pianoteq (Steinway, felt, close mic?). First two pieces in this recital are very atmospheric. Perfectly played

03. Sam S - Idyll Also a very moody piece, actually the first three pieces of the recital go together perfectly. The clarinet sounds very good, perfect combination with the piano. You must be enjoying playing together with your wife; I hope there is some solution for arthritis problems.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major Nicely played. I know, it looks so easy on paper, until you try. You do a good job, sounds clear and articulated

05. briangmoore - Chanson Sounds good to me. Maybe a little faster and flowing. Somehow you make an American type of sound always.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady Now whats that singing! That must be really big fun, I would love to be able to do that, but I am afraid my family would throw me out of the house. The song is a little too much for me. Where Briangmoore is typically American, this is typically German, although the composer is English. But how did you do it, you have a soundtrack, and just improvise on top and start singing. Looks very difficult to me. Besides I always forget the text.


07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa This is just awesome, my type of music. I like it a lot, the dissonances mixed with the rhythm and longing yearning sound. You do that perfectly. I think I need to try this too

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545 That was quite an achievement. Playing almost 15 min from memory without screwing up is already very difficult. You playing is very clear and precise, with a lot of attention to detail, but the first and last movement a bit faster would be better, than automatically you would get it more singing, flowing, with better defined phrases. What also helps a lot is to play simultaniously/on top with a known recording by some famous pianist. Mitchuko Ushida plays it very nicely. You will never get it the same, but it gives a good feeling for the flow. I do this a lot (to get Bach rhythm right).

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380 A yes, I know it from Horowitz. Your rendition is quite perfect and musically OK, very well done, I enjoyed it.

10. Peyton - Etude #2 : It is a nice etude, meditative and with nice sonorities. The octaves sounded good to me. I guess this one would feel very different when playing a real grand, especially the bass octaves. Hope you can get a new grand soon.

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie" Great, now some real fun, I really like your style and singing, but you have to be at least from Georgia to be able to do that convincingly. Afraid I am stuck with Bach.

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace Heavy stuff. I can hear some directions in it, some nice harmonies and melodies, but it is so evasive, never a real climax. Do you have a structure in your head beforehand, or is that too restrictive? It is clear a free mind is at work here. And you are absolutely right it doesnt make much sense putting a lot of effort trying to reproduce preprinted music over and over again, I often wonder what I am doing and why. About the missing ace, looks you discovered that after about 6 minutes and got very sad.

13. peterws - Summertime Ended A nice murder of someone elses. I am still lightyears away from your level of creativity, so I am very impressed. I am still trying to murder Bach, but he has been dead too long already to be really upset. Can only upset his fans.


14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1 Your playing is close to perfect, indeed the fast double notes are a bit problematic still, but that must be difficult to do. Practicing lots of double thirds and so on probably helps. Otherwise, very well played, very careful. Piano recording sounds very good, and a very nice piano off course. Quite courageous just to step into a shop and get all this organized.


15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline Ah, very famous. You play it very nicely. You get a very good sound out of Piantoeq, which also depends on the player off course.

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major I quite like it, never listened to it before. Indeed magical, but also a bit long and monotonous (minimal). You do a very good job playing it.


17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3 Very beautiful Chopin walse, very well played, sounded perfect.

18. lilypad - Nightfall : a very nice composition and well played. I didnt know it.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze : Beethoven I always find a bit problematic. His sonatas are too long and difficult, and the rest cant really inspire me. But you give it a good try, congratulations.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place Thank you for reminding us, and the tribute to Ukraine. I am not feeling to good about enjoying myself, playing piano, while people in Ukraine get their work, homes and lives destroyed just for some geopolitical games and some idiot in command. Your improvistation sounded wonderful.
Posted By: Swede Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 10:23 AM
33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11

Very nice! A little Jan Johansson feeling, never heard the pieces before or Erland Sjunesson. The slower tempo you have is better than the YouTube version. Impressive you can get that sound out of a FP30X, almost sublime, on a fine Grand piano I’m sure it will be sublime. Íd like to hear you with this piece on a grand piano with longer sustain, maybe a Bösendorfer like another guy in this recital, and the slow tempo let the tones sing out and blend, twisting between major and minor. I should get the notes. But this year is Hugo Alfvén 150 anniversary year, so should try something from him in next recital.

I imagine you can get even more music out of the notes on a fine grand. The tone is light and shimmering, Nordic light. The Nordic light sound people talk about in our orchestras. (Compared to the more dense in Germany and Austria.) Maybe it comes from our living folk music tradition.

Check out Jesper Norberg if you like Jan Johansson. I heard him at a Church in Dalarna and was fascinated.

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4ICgaZuZSLpXsclBmyP5Ry
Posted By: Swede Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 12:51 PM
By the way, I saw svt has released season one of “I döda mästares sällskap” with Hans Pålsson, again, very inspiring about six masters at the Piano.

https://www.svtplay.se/i-doda-mastares-sallskap

It´s in Swedish and I guess only available in Sweden. Sorry.
Ido, peterws and Rick, many thanks for you generous comments. They are much appreciated.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 09:08 PM
29 kenbakemn

Nice arragement of a good song I never heard before. Your playing is sweet, relaxing and to a high standard,. Well done!

30 Swede

So many play this in different ways. You adopt a languid style which gives a loose and easy feel. Nothin' wrong with that. It was fine, though I'd prefer it to be a little more crisp.and definitive.

31 Pika Pianist

I'm just sitting listening, looking. enjoying. Such a strident piece, it has everything in it, highs, lows, passion, and sounds least like Grieg as I could imagine! I've just been re-educated.
Thanks for such a fine demo. Tremendous.
Originally Posted by Kepijapa
Here is my first batch of comments, the most difficult part of the recital.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze : Beethoven I always find a bit problematic. His sonatas are too long and difficult, and the rest can't really inspire me. But you give it a good try, congratulations.

Thanks for your comments.

Many students would play 1 movement of a Beethoven Sonata, not run through all the movements like a pro. Once I heard a young man who was in Suzuki perform the slow movement of the Pathétique at his grandfather's funeral. There were other slow pieces he performed with his brother on violin & a cousin on flute. His playing was flawless but I don't think he was at the technical level of playing the whole sonata.

This particular sonatina I stumbled across student performances on YouTube 2 weeks before the R #66 was open for submission. Talked to the teacher and she said it's doable. After learning the 1st movement, got sick with flu like symptoms. Rested for a few days before learning the 2nd mvt. Luckily I had time to include both in the final recording.
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 09:22 PM
Thank you so much to QuentinP, peterws, lilypad, Rachtoven, QuasiUnaFantasia, Rickster, MarieJ and Kepijapa for your comments on my rendition of the Ginastera dance.
The piece certainly invokes emotional responses.
Like some here, my wife finds it far too dissonant.
Others find it sad and yearning.
Whatever people think, it usually gets a reaction.
For the many here with more technical ability than me, I'd recommend giving some of his piano music a look, as it was definitely written with a great deal of passion.
Posted By: stevedoz Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 09:47 PM
Another set...

25. zsolpyW - Tell him this is a beautiful song, and you really did it justice. I could imagine them singing this. It's a piece I would love to play one day. Excellent.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home this is new to me and I love it. I need to find a piano version that I'm capable of, but I love your version. Thank you.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 as you say, I can feel the Scandinavian flavour of the music even though I've not come across this before. Gentle, rolling, slightly sad. This piece had all of that and I felt you captured it all really nicely.
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 09:47 PM
32 Agrajag

A very brave effort, and a darned good one, too. Not quite there yet, but you done more than the spadework. What's the next 18m gonna bring?

33 candela

Lovely playing here. Matyre, elegant and precise. Who could've done it better?

34 Purrblast

I enjoyed the relaxed feel to this. Your playing was pleasant and created a good atmosphere.

35 Winterflower

Some very interesting aspects to your creation which I liked. Overall, a lightness, almost icy wind blowing across an upland territory. My interpretation! Well done!

36 Tyschoco

I loved this. Very full sound, and articulate playing from that super piano of yours! Excellent finish!

Well done Sam for all your hard work. We're deeply grateful to you. and thx for all the comments that've come my way. They're all appreciated.
See y'all!
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by stevedoz
29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home this is new to me and I love it. I need to find a piano version that I'm capable of, but I love your version. Thank you.

Thank you, stevedoz. It's actually not difficult to transcribe if you want to do your own arrangement. It's available on a couple of Pat Methany's albums.
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 11:01 PM
Finally I had a free afternoon to sit down and listen to the rest of the recital pieces. Great job everyone - I'm already looking forward to the next one!

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel I know nothing about video game music, but I know what I like, and I liked this. Great!

02. MarieJ - Luminous That was lovely Marie - Monica would have loved it!

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major Everything sounded very clear to me! Well done!

05. briangmoore - Chanson This was great - I'm a big fan of the Faber pieces for students. Loved it!

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa Wonderful balance between the hands. Loved it!

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545 Congratulations on learning the whole thing - and recording it too! Well done!

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380 I played this one too, I'm pretty sure in one of the recitals. I like your tempo, but I think it could be faster and might have more energy at a more lively pace. Of course, we will never know exactly what Scarlatti intended. Well done!

10. Peyton - Etude #2 I played this one - I'm pretty sure in one of the recitals. I agree about when the octaves come in - pretty tough. I know you miss your grand, but this setup is sounding pretty good. Loved it!

13. peterws - Summertime Ended Summertime must be bit frantic where you are! Over here, the living is easy, fish are jumping, and the cottons high!

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1 Wonderful playing - simply great! Glad you got to play on the Bosendorfer.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline I always love seeing your stuffed animals! This was well played and looked pretty difficult in parts. Loved it!

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major That was very interesting. I'll take your word about the next section and skip it. I would hate to ruin the favorable impression of Bruckner I got from this piece! Well done!

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3 The recording sounded fine - we are not expecting pros here! This one is not heard that often. I liked the balance between the hands, and the left hand trills. Well done!

18. lilypad - Nightfall Very nice. My wife was listening - she is a "level 3" Faber student, and has played this piece - she loved it!

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze Yes, we all have to play this a some point in our progression - brings back memories! Well done!

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13 Very nice. I've always wondered if the dynamics are turned off when using the harpsichord sounds. And the pedal of course. I can hear "clunks" when you release, which is very authentic. I plan to get my harpsichord back into playing shape "real soon now". Well done!

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music I know nothing about game music, but you played this with a lot of energy and it sounds like you love playing it. Well done!

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente This is difficult stuff - and you did very well. he syncopation can't be impossible, since you did it!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal Another wonderful interpretation. Loved it!

25. zsolpyW - Tell him Wonderful interpretation! Well done!

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1 Nice balance between the hands - I can clearly hear the melodies and the left is not intruding. And I really like the overall volume - this is not Beethoven, obviously. Your reaction at the end was great too! Well done!

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor Yes, I love this one too - it is magical. There is even something about the title - C# minor sounds so exotic, mysterious, and so difficult. This is an ambitious first Chopin piece too - well done!

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 I used to play this all the time - now I probably can't even start it. Love the energy! Well done!

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home That is an excellent arrangement. Very clear, just the right amount of "extra stuff", and the accompaniment fits really well. Enjoyed it!

That's all folks!
Sam
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by Kepijapa
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace Heavy stuff. I can hear some directions in it, some nice harmonies and melodies, but it is so evasive, never a real climax. Do you have a structure in your head beforehand, or is that too restrictive? It is clear a free mind is at work here. And you are absolutely right it doesnt make much sense putting a lot of effort trying to reproduce preprinted music over and over again, I often wonder what I am doing and why. About the missing ace, looks you discovered that after about 6 minutes and got very sad.

Thanks for listening and for your thoughts. No, broadly speaking, a priori pattern and structure interest me very little these days, although I was trained in them like most people and my earlier music used them. I see form as quite different from those two properties as it can arise organically and is more akin to biology than architecture. Our approach to music is highly arbitrary and a rightfully individual choice. The degree to which a creator embraces written notation as an integral part of creation has a tremendous influence on the sound of the result. Affordable means to record in high quality has only emerged in recent times. In the old days notation was the only means of preserving and communicating a piece of music but it is, after all, at best a poor visual approximation of spontaneous sound. This is especially true in the matter of rhythm and phrasing. Many players are quite happy with the traditional processes but I am not inclined that way any longer. It doesn't really matter and has no universal significance; music is big enough to embrace every worldview.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/21/22 11:54 PM
Thanks Peyton, Rickster, peterws, MarieJ, and Sam S for your comments.

I have a few more:

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music

You played this well, with a great deal of energy and nice dynamic contrast.

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente

Really nice playing, particularly given how difficult the Corrente sounds.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal

You did a great job with this, playing with passion and accuracy. I really enjoyed this.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 02:33 AM
Next batch, and a pretty long one whoops.

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3
Nice! I did not find the recording too overpowering. The interpretation was well conceived and good job dealing with the double stops. The Kawai you are playing on has a nice tone which you are making good use of. Your left hand is actually rather clear too. If there is one small suggestion for improvement, is simply to shape your left and right hands more. Other than that, really nice.

18. lilypad - Nightfall
Good work! you invoke the mood of the piece well and your left hand has some shaping to it. Everything is very stable and well executed. The only thing to improve on is the balance between the hands (but it may be hard to make the right hand softer depending on the touch sensitivity of the digital piano you are recording on). Good work!

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
Good rendition of it! I can appreciate the effort you are putting into making sure the left hand rests are adhered by using a deliberate motion to do that. You play it very accurately as well.
Your second movement has character and good contrasts between the various moods and motifs. The only things i would suggest to improve is firstly your crushed notes (the acciaturas) need to be faster or almost immediate. You can practice this by removing the crushed note and try to play it with the crushed note without changing the pulse of the music. From a technical standpoint, you may want to consider some finger staccato practice on scales and arms weight relaxation as you continue your journey. Also take note that your right hand wrist does dip quite a bit, which may be slightly impeding on your finger control (as other people have pointed out).

Overall good job with this, particular commendations to doing the whole sonatina. Hope to see you in the next recital!

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
Nice harmonies and arrangement for this improvisation! Perfectly captures the sense of sadness, confusion as well as turmoil that the people of Ukraine are feeling. Also perhaps a sense of longing for things to return to normal? Very nice playing executing your intended effects. Very enjoyable!

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13

This is gonna be a long one

First movement: typical Minuet/Sarabande style, nicely executed ornaments and very relaxed tempo.

Second Movement: Same thing as the previous, very nicely done ornaments. Perhaps some emphasis on the half notes to denote the long sustaining quality they are trying to evoke?

Third Movement: OK now this is starting to sound like a theme and variations lol. Nice executed of the dotted rhythms. Perhaps some transfer of the emphasis of the voices between the hands could happen? For example whichever voice is doing the dotted motif.

Fourth Movement: Your ornaments in your left hand should be commended. Overall this is pretty straight forward and well executed.

Fifth Movement: Your left hand voice leading is very clear here which gives a nice solid bedrock for this movement. Right hand has very nice shaping ideas.

Sixth movement: Same as the second movement, perhaps some emphasis on the half notes in the left hand as it does carry some voice leading significance.

Seventh Movement: Same as the previous movement, the whole notes can be emphasized to provide more harmonic backdrop for each measure. The ornaments have to be complimented as they are very in sync. If i didn't know better, i would have thought these were studies for ornaments.

Eighth movement: This is good too, nice choice of a legato articulation for the left hand which contrast with the more lively right hand motif.

Ninth movement: Well done as well, same suggestion as the third movement, there are some places for the left hand dotted motif to sing above the right hand.

Tenth Movement: Good work here too, perhaps bring out the voice leading in the two hands a bit more? For example, notice how right hand goes for B C# to D and left hand goes B A# B? These form the template for you to create some shaping based on harmonic direction and voice leading.

Eleventh Movement: Tastefully done! Very much in style.

Twelfth Movement: Oh this is tough haha. Good attempts to keep the ornaments in time with the piece. Once again, perhaps a bit of emphasis on the left hand entries, especially in the 3 or 4 places it enters with the first theme. Also can be done in its inverted forms in bar 4 for example.

Overall really well executed! This serves as a good bedrock for other baroque works like inventions and eventually, playing Handel or Bach suites.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
Very nice! Good energy and dynamic choice (not sure if your sheet music has dynamic markings) This sound like a rather challenging song and you executed it rather well! Especially considering the amount of octave and double stops to deal with. Hopefully one day i can play something that is this challenging (chords and octave are something i have not touched yet).

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
Finally some more Bach! Quite interested to see your rendition of these movements from the Partita.

Allemande: Very nice relaxed mood you are setting. Your voices are rather clear and your rhythms are where they need to be. I can see the attempts to bring out some voices over the others. The only obvious technical thing to point out is the evenness in the middle of the piece where the scales de-sync a little and some ornaments pull you out of the steady pulse. Also, perhaps you may want to consider signalling the entry of the main theme in the left hand whenever it appears. For example in measure 2, 3rd beat where it enters in its inverted form and alternates or its fragment in measure 7. The left hand could also use a tad more shaping throughout the work since your right hand has some very nice shaping ideas.

Courante: Good job dealing with the syncopation, this can be rather challenging and you are executing it well! Rather good execution of the fast broken chords in the right hand! In fact i have very little to critique for the right hand other than some little spots of unevenness, which is given considering the level of difficulty of this work. (As i mentioned this is a typical year 2 undergraduate work, you are doing rather well!) But its basically 90% clean!
I would like to draw my comments to the left hand, and would like to give some suggestions as a fellow Bach player. Firstly, consider placing some emphasis on the first beat of each left hand when it is in its 3 note broken chord forms. Notice how the first bass note of each bar forms a smooth voice leading which resolves to a perfect cadences in measure 13 and again in measure 18-19. The emphasis on each first beat can help to ground your sense of the 3/8 time signature as it is very easy for the syncopated right hand to throw off the sense of steady pulse whilst also providing a sense of harmonic direction, which is quite important for Bach.

Perhaps you could also consider some variations in articulation in places such as measure 60. You could start a long slur from the E4 to F natural 3 and then another slur on the next set of the sequence. In fact, notice how from measure 60 to 67, its just 5 notes descending pattern in a sequence? One way i was taught is to think how a cellist would play those notes, drawing attention these sequences and harmonic direction in the left hand give a sense of shaping, creating the dialogue that we seek when we are playing Bach.
Hopefully these comments help you in some way, and really great work, hope to see even more from you!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
I do love songs that make tasteful use of extended 9th 11th harmonies etc. Your playing really nice and is rather relaxed. Good sense of the textures and harmonies and good pedaling as well! I would say if you were on an acoustic, your touch would be rather good considering how aligned your body is in the video. You make it like you have good control over the piece even though you say you found it hard. Very beautiful and heartfelt ending. Please do give us more in the next recital laugh

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
That Kawai you are playing on looks so much like my teacher's piano haha, and it has a wonderful tone as well (maybe even a little better than my teacher). Wonderful touch and you are playing with a good amount of ergonomic efficiency. For example, i notice how your torso is free and you are allowing to aid your left hand arpeggios. You also have a good sense of dynamic control with your arm weight. Nice shaping too, your Wife must be very happy to have this as a Birthday Gift. And thanks for sharing your wonderful playing with us!
Originally Posted by tyschoco
Next batch, and a pretty long one whoops.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
Good rendition of it! I can appreciate the effort you are putting into making sure the left hand rests are adhered by using a deliberate motion to do that. You play it very accurately as well.
Your second movement has character and good contrasts between the various moods and motifs. The only things i would suggest to improve is firstly your crushed notes (the acciaturas) need to be faster or almost immediate. You can practice this by removing the crushed note and try to play it with the crushed note without changing the pulse of the music. From a technical standpoint, you may want to consider some finger staccato practice on scales and arms weight relaxation as you continue your journey. Also take note that your right hand wrist does dip quite a bit, which may be slightly impeding on your finger control (as other people have pointed out).

Overall good job with this, particular commendations to doing the whole sonatina. Hope to see you in the next recital!

Thanks for your comments. Will work on the RH & the grace notes...
Posted By: Kepijapa Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 06:19 AM
tyschoco, many thanks for your in depth comments, I will certainly work on your suggestions. To start I wrote the number of the measures into the score smile. You are really dedicating a lot of effort and time into your comments, it is much appreciated. I do not have time to do it, but most of all I dont even have the knowledge to do it, so it is really very valuable for us.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 07:06 AM
I've finally been able to start listening to the submissions. The turnout was a little lower than usual, but there seems to be no shortage of enjoyable performances. There's an appreciable amount of variety to boot.

Thanks to everyone who commented on my submission! Here are some quick thoughts on the first pieces.

02. MarieJ - Luminous
Einaudi has never been my cup of tea, but this sounds like a clean performance and you seem to have captured the mood quite well. Really nice job with the velvety sound too. I was surprised to hear that you'd achieved this with Pianoteq.

03. Sam S - Idyll
I love those duets you submit. This one really sounds like a tranquil poem. Keep them coming please!

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major
This Bach piece sounds tricky but I can clearly hear both voices. Nice playing.

05. briangmoore - Chanson
Nice phrasing and very pleasant to listen to.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
Due to the singing and old school feel, I thought I was listening to Rickster's submission. A nice catchy tune, and great playing and singing!


Originally Posted by AndresVel
01. Calavera - Forever Rachel I always enjoy your submissions very much Calavera. Thank you also for the short historical background on the development of the consoles. I am sure it played a definite role in the way composers approached the composition of video game music back in the day. I have always praised your capacity to generate tension and and playing with tempo in al your pieces. It always sounds very musical and not forced at all. Very lovely submission for this recital. I really enjoyed it.

Thanks for your comment AndresVel, and I appreciate your observation about the playing not sounding 'forced'. I actually took some liberty with the arrangement in terms of dynamics, because I thought it was a bit overdone in the middle section.
Posted By: marklings Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 08:10 AM
@petersw

Thanks for your comments
Originally Posted by peterws
27 Marklings

Great work you do here. If I might; the usual ornaments need clarifying, and strengthening. The piece could aslo be a lot more dynamic, and perhaps a less of an even rhythm would make it a more strident piece, full of life.
This was my wife's favourite which she played on our old Broadwood grand when we had it. She played it about your speed (it's usually much faster, but I personally prefer otherwise).
But you did a fine job.
!

I am still kind of struggling with this, so the less than perfect rendition:
- More dynamics, agreed, it's testing my technical skills ! I especially find extremely difficult the repetitions in pp
- More rubato, I hear you say, I agree; I am studying this with a teacher that is forcing me not to do too much rubato until the piece is strengthened to a point where it still not is . . .

I should add my mother used to play this so I can relate to the familiar feeling it evokes . . .
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by marklings
@petersw

Thanks for your comments
Originally Posted by peterws
27 Marklings

Great work you do here. If I might; the usual ornaments need clarifying, and strengthening. The piece could aslo be a lot more dynamic, and perhaps a less of an even rhythm would make it a more strident piece, full of life.
This was my wife's favourite which she played on our old Broadwood grand when we had it. She played it about your speed (it's usually much faster, but I personally prefer otherwise).
But you did a fine job.
!

I am still kind of struggling with this, so the less than perfect rendition:
- More dynamics, agreed, it's testing my technical skills ! I especially find extremely difficult the repetitions in pp
- More rubato, I hear you say, I agree; I am studying this with a teacher that is forcing me not to do too much rubato until the piece is strengthened to a point where it still not is . . .

I should add my mother used to play this so I can relate to the familiar feeling it evokes . . .

Well, I'm not a teacher, so feel free to discard my input. But I have heard it played in such a way I describe. The trills, prevalent throughout, (they may be leading notes, I'm not sure, makes little difference) could be accentuted to sound rather less than that they're being played together, if you get me, to give it that crispness. A bit hard to describe, sorry!
Posted By: Swede Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 03:40 PM
08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545

Nice clean crisp play. Clear dynamics. Incredible ABRSM 6 piece under 2 years playing. (Tempo can be faster.) May I ask how many hours you practice every day? I still areńt able to play it, but I can comment you here. ;-)
Posted By: Agrajag Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Jethro
Can I ask what your typical practice regimen consists of? Do you just play pieces or do you practice scales, exercises? Method books? I’m interested how you achieved this level of play in only 1.5 years.
I spent a little time on scales and a few exercises the first couple months. I bought Hanon, Czerny and "The complete book of scales, chords, arpeggios & cadences" during my first week, but I've only practiced three Hanon exercies, completely ignored the Czerny and barely looked at the other book. Aside from that, I've exclusively spent my time on pieces. I could elaborate and try to summarize it all, if you're interested.

Originally Posted by Jethro
Also have you tried this piece on an acoustic piano? Notice any difference? Does your left hand get fatigued?
I have. There's a piano store right next to my current workplace, and I've recently tried out a few grands. The CA-79 is actually on the heavier side, the acoustic pianos were noticably lighter to play. The physical requirements of the sonata are quite frankly a breeze compared to high-level Guitar Hero. Although I haven't played the game in a decade, the dexterity hasn't left me. Fatigue has yet to be an issue, but I fully expect to struggle if I ever decide to tackle Erlkönig or something similar.

Originally Posted by Jethro
I hope you keep it up.
So do I, but keeping motivation up is proving to be difficult. This started out as a solution to boredom during the pandemic. As my main hobby had literally became illegal, I had to find something to do with my time. Now that all the public measures have ended, the old hobby is slowly taking its spot back. To put my dip in motivation into perspective, I'd estimate I spent on average 1.5 hours on the piano every day the first six months, while everything was still new and exciting. These last six months however, that number has decreased to around 15 minutes.

Originally Posted by Peyton
Can't wait to hear you in another year and a half. Listz etudes? smile
Originally Posted by peterws
What's the next 18m gonna bring?
I'm not particularly fond of Liszt's etudes. I could probably forsake musicality for a bit and make some shoddy recordings of some virtuosic pieces already. Luckily, I don't want to go that route.

It may not happen any time soon, but I'd like to tackle the Bach-Busoni Chaconne at some point. I should perhaps become more comfortable with Henle 6-7 repertoire first, though. One of my long-term goals is to feel confident playing Henle 7-8 pieces.

Originally Posted by Ido
You've asked for critical comments, so let's start:
You duped me with that first sentence, I was pleasantly surprised as I continued reading.
Originally Posted by Ido
Wow
Oof, such harsh critique.

Flygbladet, Rachtoven, Bart K, AndresVel, marklings, QuentinP, Ido, Sam S, Rickster, Jethro, Peyton and peterws, I appreciate you taking the time to listen, comment, critique and encourage. One of my goals is to have something prepared for each new quarterly recital. The response here is more than I could have expected, and it's certainly helping with my motivation.
Posted By: Swede Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 08:03 PM
To Agrajag
I can see you have Henle notes, if you missed the technical video tips on Pathetique, from Mozarteum by Henle, then here it is (For example thumb under early in scales). As talented as you are, take at least som lessons with a good teatcher. There is one video on interpretation also.

Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 10:32 PM
23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
I’d say you did both movements thorough justice. I wasn't aware of tension; you achieved a relaxed flow with a tricky composition. A enjoyable listen!

You asked about the way I set up Pianoteq for ‘Luminous’. Einaudi felted his Steinway D for his latest album, so I started with the Steinway D Felt preset. But I altered several of the parameters from there, including felt thickness, voicing and action, to try to come closer to the sound I wanted.

03. Sam S - Idyll
Delightful; it’s a privilege to share your wonderful musical partnership. My very best wishes to Tootles for a successful outcome from her surgery.

01. Calavera - Forever Rachel
I always look forward your selections, Calavera, and I wasn’t disappointed with this one. It was lovely, and your enjoyment of the music sparkles throughout.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/22/22 11:33 PM
Thanks to Rickster, MarieJ, Kepijapa, Sam and Calavera for your comments - much appreciated!

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545
Congratulations on a complete sonata, and from memory is so impressive! Really elegant and well-articulated. The only thing I might suggest is perhaps a teeny bit more dynamic variation, but that could well be the recording, and is probably being nit-picky. I appreciate how you didn’t sacrifice musicality and control in a quest for speed. A very enjoyable listen.

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
More beautiful Bach. I don’t think you seemed particularly tense (either to look at or listen to), but I totally get what you mean about the recording process. Your serene, measured Allemende contrasted beautifully with the energetic Corrente. Great articulation and dynamics in both.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
Really sensitive and expressive – great playing!

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
This was lovely. I agree that you could do with the accompaniment being a little softer and more flowing (this could also just be the recording), however it doesn’t overpower the melody and your phrasing was nice.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 06:29 AM
05. briangmoore - Chanson
I agree with your comment on the importance of knowing that people have listened: it’s why these Recitals are so incredibly valuable. And they’re such a great resource for new music. I’d never heard this Chanson before, and found it appealing, something I’d like to try too. Well done!

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady
I love the variety we’ve had in this Recital - I wonder if lockdown had anything to do with it? smile Your submission was very creative, and I enjoyed it as much as you clearly did!

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380
You certainly found the ‘musical sense’ in this Sonata! A scintillating performance on your Schimmel Grand, I loved it.
Posted By: Flygbladet Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 06:47 AM
01. Calavera - Forever Rachel I enjoy the game music and the time of easy remembered melodies. And you do it with wonderful grace. The tempo switch at 1:25 what a joy.
Admits that I never played final fantasy though.

02. MarieJ - Luminous sometimes the most easy listening is the most wonderful. I would have wanted for this piece somehow also hear the sound of fingers touching the keys. Isn’t that weird of me? Like the silent ambient room should be allowed in for this one.

03. Sam S - Idyll wonderful. Being the pianist for another instrument often means taking the back seat. But they complete each other so well here. Good work.

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major Good job. I am allways fascinated with Fugues.

05. briangmoore - Chanson good work.you played it very well.
Anything goes? Well… Haven’t seen the score but I was thinking that this might go a bit more piano? And if I would have done this I might have shifted the pedal a bit more and relied more on holding down the key in the left hand so not to blur the right hand too much. But I bet you played it by the book so might be more of a comment on the book.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady oh and singing. I will comment on the piano here though – with a classic chord-usage which fits very well with the song.

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa sounds like a most intresting melodies with its fair of challenges. What curious disharmony and the Middle part of chords of almost aggressions. You manage to hold two different phrasing to the left and the right hand which is a sign of good control. Very nice work. And yes – a recording fit for a ny professional release.
Posted By: marklings Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Agrajag
To put my dip in motivation into perspective, I'd estimate I spent on average 1.5 hours on the piano every day the first six months, while everything was still new and exciting. These last six months however, that number has decreased to around 15 minutes.
.

So let me summarize that. You have been playing 1.5 years. 1.5 hours for 6 months and then less, down to 15 minutes /day. Say a total of less than 500 hours. And you play Beethoven at that level. And of course people ask you how you achieve that outstanding result. Well, don't stop playing you would be depriving the world of the next Mozart !
Posted By: peterws Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by marklings
Originally Posted by Agrajag
To put my dip in motivation into perspective, I'd estimate I spent on average 1.5 hours on the piano every day the first six months, while everything was still new and exciting. These last six months however, that number has decreased to around 15 minutes.
.

So let me summarize that. You have been playing 1.5 years. 1.5 hours for 6 months and then less, down to 15 minutes /day. Say a total of less than 500 hours. And you play Beethoven at that level. And of course people ask you how you achieve that outstanding result. Well, don't stop playing you would be depriving the world of the next Mozart !

Some have argued that Mozart is boring . . . . smile
Posted By: Jethro Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Agrajag
Originally Posted by Jethro
Can I ask what your typical practice regimen consists of? Do you just play pieces or do you practice scales, exercises? Method books? I’m interested how you achieved this level of play in only 1.5 years.
I spent a little time on scales and a few exercises the first couple months. I bought Hanon, Czerny and "The complete book of scales, chords, arpeggios & cadences" during my first week, but I've only practiced three Hanon exercies, completely ignored the Czerny and barely looked at the other book. Aside from that, I've exclusively spent my time on pieces. I could elaborate and try to summarize it all, if you're interested.

Originally Posted by Jethro
Also have you tried this piece on an acoustic piano? Notice any difference? Does your left hand get fatigued?
I have. There's a piano store right next to my current workplace, and I've recently tried out a few grands. The CA-79 is actually on the heavier side, the acoustic pianos were noticably lighter to play. The physical requirements of the sonata are quite frankly a breeze compared to high-level Guitar Hero. Although I haven't played the game in a decade, the dexterity hasn't left me. Fatigue has yet to be an issue, but I fully expect to struggle if I ever decide to tackle Erlkönig or something similar.

Originally Posted by Jethro
I hope you keep it up.
So do I, but keeping motivation up is proving to be difficult. This started out as a solution to boredom during the pandemic. As my main hobby had literally became illegal, I had to find something to do with my time. Now that all the public measures have ended, the old hobby is slowly taking its spot back. To put my dip in motivation into perspective, I'd estimate I spent on average 1.5 hours on the piano every day the first six months, while everything was still new and exciting. These last six months however, that number has decreased to around 15 minutes.

Originally Posted by Peyton
Can't wait to hear you in another year and a half. Listz etudes? smile
Originally Posted by peterws
What's the next 18m gonna bring?
I'm not particularly fond of Liszt's etudes. I could probably forsake musicality for a bit and make some shoddy recordings of some virtuosic pieces already. Luckily, I don't want to go that route.

It may not happen any time soon, but I'd like to tackle the Bach-Busoni Chaconne at some point. I should perhaps become more comfortable with Henle 6-7 repertoire first, though. One of my long-term goals is to feel confident playing Henle 7-8 pieces.

Originally Posted by Ido
You've asked for critical comments, so let's start:
You duped me with that first sentence, I was pleasantly surprised as I continued reading.
Originally Posted by Ido
Wow
Oof, such harsh critique.

Flygbladet, Rachtoven, Bart K, AndresVel, marklings, QuentinP, Ido, Sam S, Rickster, Jethro, Peyton and peterws, I appreciate you taking the time to listen, comment, critique and encourage. One of my goals is to have something prepared for each new quarterly recital. The response here is more than I could have expected, and it's certainly helping with my motivation.
Yes I would like to know more of the details. You could PM me if you wish or if you can be brief maybe others might want to know as well along as the conversation does not hijack the thread, but I do find it pretty amazing that you can play such a piece with only a year and a half of self teaching. Still, I think a teacher can improve your technique substantially but quite a feat for what you are already able to do. Maybe there is some connection between video games in your youth and piano facility. I think another poster here Pablobear also played a lot of video games in his youth.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/23/22 11:59 PM
Some more comments:

13. peterws - Summertime Ended

This was a really interesting and inventive take on Gershwin’s Summertime. I really enjoyed it.

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1

Beautiful! Both your play and the piano! This is quite an accomplishment and I can tell this piece means a lot to you. I love the Elegie, too.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline

This is an entertaining piece and I enjoyed your performance--the ending was played especially delicately.
Posted By: Kepijapa Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/24/22 10:57 AM
My second set of comments.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13 This sounds interesting. I have that instrument too, have to try it. I like these short pieces, and your playing is very good. I like it very much, doesnt look very easy, you sound like an experienced pianist, perfect.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music I did not know this, It is a fun tune, you play it very well.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal Ah, that sounds beautiful, your playing is very relaxing.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him Beautiful tune, you put a lot of emotion in it. I also listened to the original, also very beautiful, thanks for playing and sharing.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1 It sounds very nice, you have a very light tough.

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor A beautiful waltz, it was one of the first Chopin I learned too as a young boy, well done.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 Very well played. I actually also practiced this, but I was never happy with the result. I must say yours sounds better.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home This sounds quite beautiful, love the arrangement.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15 Well, I think you actually played this very well. You bring out the melody nicely, it is very musically played, it is also very lovely music. Now I wanted to listen again to your Aria of the Goldberg, but I could not manage to find it (there must be a way, I will keep trying). But I think you played this better (But the Aria was nice too, a little slow as I recall).

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite) Wow, that sounds difficult. Very well done, beautiful piano.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I Hey, thats the only Beethoven I have tried, sounds great, your playing is very good, keep it up, don’t know why you are so critical.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 This sounds very nice, interesting pieces. A rather Nordic atmosphere indeed, very musically played.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10) This was very beautiful music also. Very well played. Lovely melodies.

35. winterflower - daffodils Big respect to improvisers, wish I could do that, well done.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786 Now that sounds quite perfect to me. Maybe I would do it a little faster and lighter, but after listening to some recordings I see this is how it is mostly done. Think I want to try this one too (I tried some of these 2 part inventions, but was never too happy about the result).
Posted By: Pianist685 Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/24/22 02:59 PM
21 sandalholme – 10 character pieces by Couperin on harpsichord This is absolutely fantastic. You are a perfect harpsichordist. All those trills and mordents you are adding are intriguing. Ah, for the piece beginning at 4:45 you could even select the lute sound of the instrument. How fascinatingly realistic! You know probably that I like playing a virtual harpsichord as well.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/24/22 10:59 PM
22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
That was tremendous fun - lively and exuberant. I loved it! thumb

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
The kikuyu grass may have influenced the opening of your improvisation smile , but the handmowing obviously didn’t damage your dexterity. You’ve managed to create a very large, brightly coloured and intricate abstract painting for the ears.

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1
A masterful performance on a magnificent piano. What a fabulous experience that must have been. Bravo!

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline
Your version was a lot more complicated than the arrangement I’ve tinkered around with - and I found even that one a struggle. A very enjoyable performance - thank you!

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
I’m not technically equipped to offer suggestions for improvement, but think the faster take was a good idea: the tempo sounded fine. Confidently played - well done.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/25/22 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by MarieJ

[b]12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace

The kikuyu grass may have influenced the opening of your improvisation smile , but the handmowing obviously didn’t damage your dexterity. You’ve managed to create a very large, brightly coloured and intricate abstract painting for the ears.

Thanks for listening, pleased you like it. The subject of physical training and piano playing crops up regularly on forums. I am not one of the increasing number of pianists who eschew all vigorous exercise involving the hands in case it impedes dexterity. While it is true that activities such as resistance training and labouring, anything involving prolonged gripping, can produce a degree of temporary clumsiness, it usually lasts little more than a day or so. Exercise is very important to maintain health as we age and I generally play better when I feel fit. Percy Grainger, to mention one counter example, indulged in a stupendous amount of exercise all his life and he retained a mighty technique.
Originally Posted by MarieJ
19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
I’m not technically equipped to offer suggestions for improvement, but think the faster take was a good idea: the tempo sounded fine. Confidently played - well done.

Thanks for your comments. This is a common piece performed by students. The tempo for mvt 1 is Moderato and not Allegro. Some students would play it slower while others would do it faster depending on their confidence. And some would do the repeats and others wouldn't.
Posted By: lilypad Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/25/22 03:58 AM
Thank you to Rickster, MarieJ, Sam S. and tyschoco for listening and commenting on my performance.

Also a special thank you to Sam S. for facilitating another great recital and giving people an opportunity to share their music.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite) - That was indeed joyous. Your hands were almost a blur, dancing over the keys in the livelier parts of the piece. I enjoyed your music so much that it was almost a shock when the piece ended.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I - What a remarkable achievement! Your playing looked and sounded awesome to me.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11 - One of the highlights of these recitals is discovering new music such as you just introduced. Thank you for sharing it. Well done!

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10) - That was a lovely piece. I loved the way you brought out the melody. The hand and finger positions required for the piece looked complex, but your playing was very smooth.

35. winterflower - daffodils - Lovely musical expression of an idea with the high notes that followed on from the more somber beginning. It truly brings to mind early flowers of spring emerging after winter.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786 - I think your experience with other Inventions has stood you in good stead. Your playing looked and sounded secure and in the spirit of a Bach piece.
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/25/22 02:33 PM
I have finally got time to read the last comments and comment myself. I am currently traveling for work and have not had the time to do it. Good thing is that I am Vienna now. There is music everywhere you look here laugh
Thank you Rachtoven, QuasiunaFantasia, Rickster, Sam, Swede and QuentinP for taking the time to listen and comment on my submission. I really appreciate it and I am happy you enjoyed it smile

Originally Posted by Rachtoven
Very precise and disciplined playing. I agree with you about the difficulty of the first movement. I had to play it a long time before I felt comfortable submitting a recording of it. Even after I got it to 80-90%, there were always places where my fingers would tend to fumble, and if I fixed that, I would “spring a leak” somewhere else.

Question: On Measure 15 (about 0:39), it sounds like the trill is a bit delayed. Is that intentional?
Thank you Rachtoven for taking time to listen and comment. I agree with you 100% on your experiences when learning the first movement. It was hard to keep the whole thing together and feel secure in all sections at the same time. But looking at the outcome, I am very happy I kept pushing.
Regarding the trill, I see now what you mean. The trills do not start immediately on my recording. I remember them changing as I kept practicing the piece. The final outcome was the one I could find more consistency with and which allowed me not to interrupt the flow of the piece.

Originally Posted by Sam S
Separate mics for the piano and clarinet fed into a Scarlett interface. The recording is done with Logic Pro X. Two cameras - a Zoom Q8 and an iphone. So I start the cameras and the audio recording at about the same time - it's not important to synchronize them when recording - which I will explain below.

Then I add some reverb to the audio recording in Logic Pro - the clarinet definitely sounds better with reverb. Do not trim the audio recording, but export it. ...
Thanks for your reply Sam. I will try to play a bit with reverb next time to see if it adds to the final sound. I remember checking it once on Davinci Resolve (the software I used for video editing) but it was not that straight forward so I left it there.
I wish Toddles a speedy recovery and all the best for her surgery. I hope she will be able to play again very fast smile

Originally Posted by Kepijapa
That was quite an achievement. Playing almost 15 min from memory without screwing up is already very difficult. You playing is very clear and precise, with a lot of attention to detail, but the first and last movement a bit faster would be better, than automatically you would get it more singing, flowing, with better defined phrases. What also helps a lot is to play simultaniously/on top with a known recording by some famous pianist. Mitchuko Ushida plays it very nicely. You will never get it the same, but it gives a good feeling for the flow. I do this a lot (to get Bach rhythm right).
Thank you Kapijapa for taking time to listen and comment. I appreciate your feedback and your nice comments. I agree with the tempo, specially for the first movement, but it was not my main priority with this piece. I even ended up playing it at a tempo I was not even thinking I would be able to reach. I am sure there will be enough opportunities in the future to keep working on this aspect.
I have never played on top of a recording, but I did listen a lot/dived into Mozart's music while learning the sonata. In particular for the sonatas, I really enjoyed Mitsuko's rendition. She was by far my favorite together with Pires and Arrau. I loved Mitsuko already from her Schubert. I am lucky to be in Vienna for work all this week, and will be attending a solo recital from Mitsuko next Sunday laugh and she is playing Mozart :DDDD It will be a beautiful experience for sure. Cannot wait.

Originally Posted by Swede
Nice clean crisp play. Clear dynamics. Incredible ABRSM 6 piece under 2 years playing. (Tempo can be faster.) May I ask how many hours you practice every day? I still areńt able to play it, but I can comment you here. ;-)
Thank you very much Swede for your comments. Of course you can comment on my submission! laugh the whole purpose of these recitals in my opinion, or at least for me, is being able to exchange with others on music and on our our passion of playing piano. I truly appreciate and value your impressions after listening to my submission.
On your question, I practice between 90 minutes and 2 hours, usually 6 days per week. I usually have three pieces at the same time (I use then around 30 minutes per piece). The other half an hour I use for reading music and work on technique.

Originally Posted by QuentinP
Congratulations on a complete sonata, and from memory is so impressive! Really elegant and well-articulated. The only thing I might suggest is perhaps a teeny bit more dynamic variation, but that could well be the recording, and is probably being nit-picky. I appreciate how you didn’t sacrifice musicality and control in a quest for speed. A very enjoyable listen.
Thank you very much QuentinP for your comment. I appreciate your comment on my wish to prioritize musicality and control over speed, and it makes happy that these two former aspects came through in the recording. I totally agree with previous comments and playing the outer movements faster would be awesome, but I am unfortunately not there yet smirk. Tempo has never been in the top of the list in the work I have done with my teacher so far, since we do not want to sacrifice control, musicality, and articulation (this one in particular for this particular piece by Mozart). I would love to pick this piece in the future and see how my interpretation might improve/differ.
Posted By: tyschoco Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/26/22 01:17 AM
Hopefully didn't miss anyone! Some really great submissions during this recital even if it was smaller than what we usually get. See you all in the next one!

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1
Good balance! And it actually sounds you are rather acclimated to the tempo you are attempting, and you are doing rather respectable tempo too, only about 20% less than the standard allegro. You are adhering to the rests very dutifully as well. The only suggestion i have is perhaps play around with some finger pedal in the left hand and maybe some articulation. (Interestingly, i would personally do the left hand broken octaves non legato, to imitate what a bassoonist would do). Good work!

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
Nicely done overall! Good balance between the hands, i like the use of less pedal to bring out the acciatura in the opening theme and your scales and arpeggios for the piu mosso part is well conceived. The only thing i would suggest is perhaps more use of rubato in conjunction with more awareness of the phrases in the music. There are a lot of cadences and sequences that can be shaped more to make it clearer to the listener. Personally, i would also not do an overt accelerando for the piu mosso part, most professional recordings i listen to seem to reach the tempo by the second or third bar. Also perhaps consider breathing in between large phrases which can enhance the natural musical sense of the work.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
Very good! I don't think i could have done this better myself. This is a very very good tempo and you are holding your control rather well throughout. Probably one of the better renditions of this invention i have heard on this forum and its nearly fully professionally conceived. Perhaps consider this when dealing with a fast work? Try some moderate tempo practice and play the piece with very deliberate breath between phrases or even change the mood of the piece when practicing at a slower tempo (perhaps moderato con moto for this work?). In my experience, doing moderate tempo practice for fast works like these help to stabilize the muscle memory, and was particularly helpful for live performance preparation.

You are more than ready to move onto other inventions! Perhaps try the D minor one if you have not attempted it. Or anyone you feel you would enjoy, you definitely have the skill to do it. Look forward to hear more from you!

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
Very colorful harmonies and very nicely played. Good balance, the left hand its not overpowering the right. Your voicing is quite good as well and pedaling very clean. I am curious how it would sound on an acoustic as there are some places where there are long projected notes that will enhance the harmony like measure 20 before the 6/4 time shift. Its really nicely played, hope to see you the next time round!

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
Hopefully i can start my work on Kinderszenen soon, i am currently preoccupied with my Bach and Haydn stuff and have yet to complete the Album fur die Jugend. This is one of the most beautiful works in the set.

The voicing is really nice and whatever fingering or pedalling you are using is very effective as you get a nice legato line. Pedaling is rather clean and your inner voice control is more or less there.
I mean this with a hint of jest when i say you aren't giving me a lot to chew on when it comes to the critique you are asking for in your post LOL. You are going to need to show us either a Bach or Classical fast movement to expose any technical faults more thoroughly. But as long as you are doing your Hanon relaxed with a reasonable amount of freedom in your wrist and shoulders, you should be good to go.

The only critique for this piece is one small detail a lot of people seem to miss out. Try voicing the the left hand's dotted eight note - > 16th note into the quarter note. It is meant to be an imitation of the right hand's theme coming into the B section. Murray Perahia mentions this in a video on Youtube and i think its a rather nice detail to add when playing this work.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)
Absolutely professionally conceived! Your technique is incredibly well aligned with your fingers freely dancing on the keyboard, allowing you to keep that sharp crisp articulation for the A section. Your touch for the trio section is absolutely sublime and you have very clear phrasing ideas and direction. Your dynamic and musical ideas are conceived at the highest level for this piece and executed convincingly. I think whats particularly amazing is you capture the orchestral forces of the work incredibly well. You have incredible sensitivity to the range of colours on the piano.

This may be a little selfish for me to ask, but i really do wish to see more works that showcase your dexterity and your virtuosic side. Perhaps some fast movement Beethoven or something. You are probably one of the most Bulletproof pianist on this forum and i always look forward to your submissions during the Recitals. See you in the next one!

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
From reading the comments, a lot of people have given tons of constructive feedback on this work already. So i am interested to hear how this sounds like. And obvious commendations for doing this in only one year and a half of work on the piano.

Opening is well conceived, only really limited by the touch and colour the digital piano can give. Given more time, there will be more shaping ideas and response to the harmonic changes. But its well produced either way.

The Allegro di molto starts really nice actually. Particular commendations to the broken octaves as you have seemed to figured out how to play that without flailing the fingers around blindly. The mordents are kept rather well in time. The first hint of trouble only really seems to come in the contrary broken chords area, measure 89 (Its very hard, because most of us do not deal with this pattern very often, and attempting this piece is usually preceded by tons of groundwork from other classical sonatas by Haydn, Mozart and Bee). So props for getting it somewhat clear!
Moving into the development, we may need a tad bit of voicing on broken chords in the right hand in measure 167, voice leading from C sharp -> d -> c natural -> b natural etc. Otherwise it sounds like a little spotty there in terms of direction. The return to the recapitulation is relatively stable, although of course stamina starts to beome an issue by the time you reach here.

But overall you hold your control throughout the piece in a rather respectable manner. The only thing to think about is what are you currently doing repertoire wise? I personally would consider one of Beethoven's slightly easier sonata movements like Op 14 no 1 or the presto alla tedesca from Op 79. It can benefit your stability and stamina by acclimating to a piece that is slightly more manageable and will allow you to deal with the technical issues pointed out by the others who have given you way more valuable feedback on this work.
Really commendable and impressive, hope to see what you come up with in the next recital!

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
Theme 8 sounds really nice! You are responding and capturing the melancholy rather well throughout and you sound like you are enjoying yourself playing it. Good dynamic choices throughout as well!

Theme 11 Good pedalling for this, you are producing a rather clean legato throughout for the treble voice. Good response to the brief modulations to F major as well. You certainly have some good interpretative ideas going around. Really enjoyable!

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
Very nicely played overall! I really appreciate the effort to bring out he bass notes which give the melody a nice sense of harmonic support and the shaping of the inner voices. Very good attention to the part playing for the piece overall. Considering you said this is deeper waters for you, i'd say you are doing really well! Also, in your defense, ghost notes when doing pp and ppp could be a result of the limits of your piano's actions. Certain high quality acoustic uprights or grands have very good response at lower dynamics. In my experience, usually digital pianos have difficulty responding that far on either end of the dynamic spectrum. The only thing i'd say you could work on is slowly build up your phrasing and shaping ideas as you progress, listen to any professional recording and note how you can hear how clear each phrase is. Good job!

35. winterflower - daffodils
Nice themes, and its quite appropriate for the title you have given this improvisation. Nice choice for the higher register too, gives that dreamy feeling to it and hints of extended harmonies. Really nice melody to go with the beautiful chordal accompaniment. Enjoyed listening to it!
Posted By: marklings Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/26/22 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by tyschoco
27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
Nicely done overall! Good balance between the hands, i like the use of less pedal to bring out the acciatura in the opening theme and your scales and arpeggios for the piu mosso part is well conceived. The only thing i would suggest is perhaps more use of rubato in conjunction with more awareness of the phrases in the music. There are a lot of cadences and sequences that can be shaped more to make it clearer to the listener. Personally, i would also not do an overt accelerando for the piu mosso part, most professional recordings i listen to seem to reach the tempo by the second or third bar. Also perhaps consider breathing in between large phrases which can enhance the natural musical sense of the work.

Thanks for your comments, all sensible suggestions. I can only say I am far from accomplished !
Many thanks to Sam S, tyschoco, Kepijapa, Pianist685 for all your comments. Yes, the harpsichord software disables velocity and the clunk when releasing the keys has been adjusted - depending upon the number of register being used. Hope your harpsichord is available soon, Sam. Your comments were thoughtful and detailed tyschoco and I will listen carefully: a listener can pick up things the player misses, or thinks everything is OK because in one's head it's OK. Kepijapa: if you have the PT Hans Ruckers, it's really worth trying if you like the harpsichord sound. The French baroque is the genre I am most comfortable with. Pianist685: the ornaments are all provided by Couperin. The French school were very particular about ornamentation and it at least saves worrying about whether your choice is suitable, but there are rather a lot!
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/26/22 09:16 PM
Some more comments from my side. Little by little I will finish listening to the recital

04. QuentinP - WTK1 Fugue 1 C major Very good job with the Fugue QuentinP! Fugues are so cool and nice to listen to, specially when you can clearly listen to the theme and the voices all throughout. I think you succeeded at that, which is pretty impressive considering this is a four voices fugue. The theme was always so nicely brought up and the interplay of voices was really interesting. You also managed to introduce the ornaments nicely without losing the rhythm or without making them stand out abruptly when it gets dense. I noticed some interesting exploration with the articulation, specially on the second half of the main theme, before the sustained note. I noticed you detached the previous quaver, which I do not remember listening that way before. It was a very polished and disciplined work Quentin. I deeply enjoyed it smile

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1 What a piece you chose to learn and share with us this time! Amazing work on such a complex piece. Congratulations on coming up with this fine recording and also for tackling your first Rachmaninoff. I think you have a lot to feel proud of. You did a great job with the left hand carrying the piece all throughout. It did not seem bothered by the triples or variations of it on the main melody. I think you also succeeded at making use of the high range of dynamics when needed to add tension in key points. My suggestions would be to also try to achieve this tension and climax with tempo, by stretching it and adding more rubato in certain places. I would also encourage you to explore better the low range of dynamics, specially since you have now a grand at home (Huge congrats on that too! I am happy that you have a beautiful instrument at your new home) . The piece varies from ppp to fff (at least in the score I was using to follow your playing), so I will try to really highlight that difference. For example, at the beginning of the Piu vivo section, bringing down the right hand to allow the left hand sing that long melodic line, or at the Lento section to transition to the main theme. Awesome job!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal I love this song! I was a huge Evanescence fan back in high-school. I know a lot of their songs and this one was of course was one of my favorites. I think you clearly played with a lot of passion and emotion, which is essential for this piece. You create beautiful dynamics and a beautiful texture with the left hand. Being a big fan of the song, I have to admit that there are some bits of the arrangement that I do not agree with and that I would have probably changed myself. I would have for example lowered the verses one octave, and I think the bridge is not such a turning point in the arrangement as it is in the song. However, this does not take anything away from your performance, which also was beautifully captured by your recording setup. The only thing I would suggest about your playing could be to not rush the beginning of phrases. I noticed this specially in the chorus. Otherwise, this was a great listen. Thank you for sharing.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10) Well done Purrblast. This is indeed a very beautiful piece and I think you did a great job with it. I liked a lot how you alternated the different voices all throughout and did very good at giving them all a chance to shine. I think the tempo suited very well the piece, and you also played with it effectively when needed. I would only suggest to really explore that pianissimo sound and try to create more dynamic contrast. I understand this is not always so easy on a digital but I would give it a try. Also take care with the rhythm towards the end of measures 22 and 23, specially with the triplets in the left hand, and when playing the appoggiatura in the transition between both, so it does not stick out. Very lovely submission and what a lovely piece. Awesome playing :))
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/27/22 03:48 AM
20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
‘Poignant’ was an accurate description; your composition conveyed the emotions you mentioned. A heartfelt performance.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13
The Pianoteq harpsichord voice was a brilliant choice. I enjoyed the variety you brought to these short linked pieces - superb playing!

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
The band and this composition are totally new to me. I was expecting more of a ‘rock’ piece, but this was gentle and soothing. Most enjoyable!

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
I didn’t know the song, but was impressed by your tender rendition. What a special birthday gift!

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1
This sounded confident and polished, I really enjoyed it. Terrific work, Kevin! thumb
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/27/22 01:38 PM
Some more comments from my side smile

05. briangmoore - Chanson This was a lovely piece briangmoore. It reminded a bit of the slow pieces in Schumann's album for the young. I think you did great, with beautiful phrasing. Thank you very much for sharing.

06. pianist685 (Constantin) - She's a lady Very nice submission! I hope we can in the future remember the lockdown time associated with this pandemic as the best chance we have had in a while to try new things, new hobbies, new activities. It has for sure been the case for me, and it seems it has been for you too by picking up singing at the piano. I do not know the song but I think you did very well and one can tell you are having a great time at the instrument. Thank you very much for sharing.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline I know this piece very well, I remember listening to it very often as a kid because my aunt loves Clayderman's music. I remember she was very excited when I told her I was going to learn piano because she wanted me to eventually learn this one and play it for her. I think you played very well and the sound setting you chose on Pianoteq work very well for the character of the piece. Awesome playing. Thank you very much for sharing.

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major This piece was a big surprise. I was not expecting it would sound like that. I only know two Bruckner's symphonies, his 3rd and hid 7th. The 3rd I have even experience live, and it is so dramatic. It kept me at the enge of my seat, specially the outer movements. It is nice to discover a new side of the composer. I did not even know he had composed for piano solo. To your playing, I think it was so tasteful! Beautiful phrasing and pianissimo sound, and very good attention to the indicated dynamics. Very good job in keeping the triplets in the left hand steady all throughout and adding dynamic variations with the left hand too. Very well done. I listened to the second half of the piece, to the recording you suggest, and it sounds very classical in my opinion. It is a big contrast to the first half but I loved it too. I will put this piece on a list of future works for sure. Thank you very much for sharing! discovering new pieces like these makes the listening experience in the recitals even better.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him Beautiful playing zsolpyW. I actually do not know the song, but I was able to capture the beauty of the piece through your playing. Beautiful use of dynamics, which help to add a lot of drama and emotion to your rendition. Very well done. I am sure your wife must have been very touched by your present. Thank you for sharing it with us smile

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1 Good job on this first movement of the Sonatina Kevin! It has a very calming pastoral feeling. I think you are doing very good with this piece. You keep a very steady left hand alberti bass, and you are putting a lot of focus on the articulation too. I think it is great you are noticing progress and that you are achieving higher tempos. Keep on the hard work and you will be getting a very good recording of the sonatina. In terms of dynamics, I think you could explore a bit more, both to add more shape to the right hand and to add more variation with the left hand too, so that the alberti bass does not always remains at the background. I noticed there is a fermata shortly before the recapitulation. I would take a bit more time there even tough the piece is not very long. Very good job Kevin, looking forward to your progress on this piece :)))

35. winterflower - daffodils Beautiful improvisation winterflower. I very much enjoyed it. Very ethereal sound the one you were able to create with the upper register. Why did you decide to name it like that? I am curious. Thank you for sharing.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786 Very good job Tsychoco! One call tell, having worked on most of the inventions already has helped you to get a feeling on how to play effectively with two voices. You were able to bring out the main theme every time it appeared, but on top of that you are being able to transition progressively from one leading voice to the other. I noticed this specially between measures 12 to 14, the transition towards to right hand main theme on bar 14 was very nicely done and felt effortless. Ornaments seem to be on point on both hands. I also like how you highlight the bass line at the very beginning. It is not the main theme but you also gave it some protagonism which was nice. Very well done! Looking forward to the Haydn sonata laugh
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/27/22 04:35 PM
07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa
Lovely and very atmospheric piece. I'd say you've done a nice job with those small hands of yours.

08. AndresVel - Piano Sonata No. 16 in C major, KV 545
Very impressive and you maintain your sense of musicality throughout the performance despite its technical challenges. A fun piece and performance.

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380
Not sure what it would sound like as a funeral procession, but I think your cheerful rendition fits the piece. Nice playing.

10. Peyton - Etude #2
Pleasant and evocative piece. Nice job making it sound this good with your new Kawai/Pianoteq combo!

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Loved this. What a fun and invigorating performance. It has the makings of a crowd-pleasing hit song. I don't know if this is something you regularly do, but I can easily picture you singing, playing and entertaining a whole group of people at home or at a bar with this kind of music.
Posted By: Rickster Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/27/22 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by Calavera
11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Loved this. What a fun and invigorating performance. It has the makings of a crowd-pleasing hit song. I don't know if this is something you regularly do, but I can easily picture you singing, playing and entertaining a whole group of people at home or at a bar with this kind of music.

Thanks, Calavera, lilypad, Sam, and others, for the kind words regarding my submission to the ABF #66 Recital! I'll admit it was different, compared to most all the other submissions. But I suppose a little diversity is not a bad thing. And, it was one of my many original "fun" songs. smile

As for playing/performing for a crowd, I did get the opportunity several years ago, and two years in a row, to perform at a college graduation ceremony where there were around 2500 people in attendance. The first time I played and sang Bette Midler's "Wind beneath my wings". The second year, I performed one of my original songs/compositions "Road to somewhere". Both were appropriate songs for a college graduation.

However, I learned quickly that my stage freight was much worse than I imagined. The performances went okay, but not my best work either time. Severe stage freight, anxiety and nervousness seemed to overwhelm me, and it can indeed affect our performance in ways we couldn't imagine.

But I was thankful for the opportunity to perform for such an event, and a large audience, which also included my fellow teachers, instructors, supervisors, college board members, local community leaders, dignitaries, and lots of family members of the graduates, and the graduates. I doubt they paid much attention to my mistakes, but I did. smile

I suppose we all have dreams and visions of being a "Rock Star", but I don't think it is all that easy. smile

All the best!

Rick
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/28/22 01:17 AM
27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
And I ‘absolutely, utterly, entirely’ thought that was beautiful. Well done!

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
An unknown piece to me. This very appealing arrangement, enhanced by a crystal-clear touch. Lovely.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
An old favourite. I’m not qualified to offer advice on your technical questions; but to my ears you clearly managed to ‘get the music out’. Nicely played!
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/28/22 03:17 AM
31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)
A glorious concert-standard performance on your beautiful Estonia. Take a bow! Encore!

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
Not easy to articulate while picking your jaw up off the floor - so I’ll give a one-word comment: unbelievable!

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
Two graceful pieces. You played with considerable control and sensitivity, particularly commendable given your relatively brief time at the piano.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/28/22 07:34 AM
11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Loved this. What a fun and invigorating performance. It has the makings of a crowd-pleasing hit song. I don't know if this is something you regularly do, but I can easily picture you singing, playing and entertaining a whole group of people at home or at a bar with this kind of music.

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Expectedly bonkers and quite fun. I hear some slight irritation or bemusement caused by the card game defeat.

13. peterws - Summertime Ended
Fun and lively performance. I don't hear anything savage, though there might be a tinge of wilfulness somewhere. Splendig ending too!

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1
I really like this Rachmaninoff piece and I can tell you do too. Beautiful performance. Needless to say, the piano sounds great too. Thanks for sharing this!

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline
Nice piece and playing! Very pretty and tender.

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major
It doesn't sound that minimalistic to me, which pleases me very much since I have a soft spot for nice melodies. Very enjoyable performance.


Originally Posted by Rickster
As for playing/performing for a crowd, I did get the opportunity several years ago, and two years in a row, to perform at a college graduation ceremony where there were around 2500 people in attendance. The first time I played and sang Bette Midler's "Wind beneath my wings". The second year, I performed one of my original songs/compositions "Road to somewhere". Both were appropriate songs for a college graduation.

However, I learned quickly that my stage freight was much worse than I imagined. The performances went okay, but not my best work either time. Severe stage freight, anxiety and nervousness seemed to overwhelm me, and it can indeed affect our performance in ways we couldn't imagine.

A shame about the stage fright! Nerves aside, I think the songs you've submitted in the past few months really have a wide appeal.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/29/22 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by Calavera

[b]12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace

Expectedly bonkers and quite fun. I hear some slight irritation or bemusement caused by the card game defeat.

Oh but all music is mad and the best players are right around the bend, it has nothing to do with ratiocination. It has always puzzled me why so many try to impose rules and reason on art while employing a maximum of freedom and stupidity in their lives. I shall stop music altogether when it ceases to be fun. Thanks for listening.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/29/22 03:45 AM
34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
I liked the pace you chose, it added to the pensive mood of this piece. Lots of light and shade here, it was lovely. Well done.

35. winterflower - daffodils
A nice lilt developing in this composition - it sounded almost Celtic. I enjoyed it!
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/29/22 07:35 AM
17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3
Great piece and performance. It has the feel of a waltz while remaining sensitive throughout. Nice piano sound too.

18. lilypad - Nightfall
Enjoyable and relaxing. Thanks for sharing this.

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
This is a beautiful Beethoven piece and your playing sounds good. Perhaps a little uneven in some parts, but still very pleasant to listen to.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
Sad, beautiful and evocative. Thanks for this composition.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13
Very nice contrasts between the characters. My favourite part is probably the last character. I really enjoyed its hectic sound.
Posted By: MarieJ Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 05/29/22 10:07 PM
Sincere thanks to peterws, tyschoco, Peyton, Ido, AndresVel, stevedos, QuentinP, lilypad, Rachtoven, QuasiUnaFantasia, Rickster, Kepijapa, Sam S, Calavera and Flygbladet. I very much appreciate your thoughtful and kind comments - they encourage and motivate me to continue on this wonderful journey. heart
Posted By: AndresVel Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/01/22 08:14 AM
Thank you very much Calavera for your comments on my piece. I am glad that you enjoy it smile

Here is my final batch of comments. I very much enjoyed this recital! It was perhaps shorter than the usual ones, but anyways full with beautiful music and lovely performances. Looking forward to the next one in a couple of months. Thank you everyone for participating laugh

07. stevedoz - Danzas argentinas Op. 2, no 2, Danza de la moza donosa What a cool submission! Very nice piece and lovely playing. The build up is pretty impressive and I think you did very well in creating that climax progressively and adding a lot of emotion to your playing. The piece had some Rachmaninovian flavor on that regard, although the rhythm was unmistakably Argentinian, as it sounded similar to a milonga/tango like piece. Thank you very much for sharing. I very much enjoyed it.

09. PianogrlNW (Ellen) - Sonata in E Major K 380 Yeahh some Scarlatti!! What a beautiful sonata this one is. This might be one of the most recorded Scarlatti sonatas. I heard it the first time from Alexandre Tharaud, which still remains my favorite rendition of it. He brings out very nicely the march character of the piece. I enjoyed your use of dynamics, and the very beautiful articulation and ornaments. You always excel at adding a lot of musicality to your submissions and this one was not the exception. As a suggestion, I think your rendition might benefit from a slightly faster tempo as I think it helps to highlight the march character of the piece. As an additional suggestion, I would also try to reduce the pedaling in some sections. You certainly did an amazing job conveying your musical ideas through your playing. Very beautiful submission Ellen laugh

10. Peyton - Etude #2 This piece is very interesting. I am not a big fan of Glass music, but as you also point out, this one sounds very interesting. My favorite section begins at around minute 3:00 when more texture is added to the main figure. I also very much enjoy the heaviness you added on the bass on the last third of the piece and also the melodic line you accentuate on your left hand. This all helps to add contrast to your rendition overall. Thank you for sharing smile

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3 Lovely waltz ad lovely playing Ido! I very much enjoy it. I also think the Chopin set of waltzes is full of beautiful music, and luckily also includes pieces at very different levels. I think it is a good way to get introduced into Chopin's music. The set of op. 70 I liked a lot, the No. 2 being my favorite in that set. I think you did a splendid job varying your interpretation in the repeats and highlighting certain details between your left and right hands. Very well done! laugh

18. lilypad - Nightfall Lovely piece lilypad! The piece sounded very calming and put me in a good and relaxing day after a long travel back home! Very beautiful and sensitive playing. Thank you very much for sharing laugh

19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze Aww I loved this Sonatina! Great job deciding to work on both movements. I think they allow one to work on very different aspects from piano playing. I think you are on a good track on this piece. I would suggest to keep an eye on tempo and rhythm, since it is fluctuating in some of the sections. The 1st movement allows you to work on grace notes so try to focus on those in the main theme of the exposition. I also think that detaching the left hand chords serves very well the character of the piece, although this is more of a personal choice.
Regarding the second movement, I think you have some very nice ideas, and are doing well on articulation. I would focus here on varying dynamics and phrasing to try to highlight the more melodic character of this movement compared to the first one. Good job on this piece! I would love to have a listen to a future iteration of this work.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place Very sensitive improvisation Snejana, even though sometimes the sources of inspiration are not those that we would wish for. This was very beautiful. The sense of nothingness around 1:20 was very touching. Thank you for sharing this with us this time. It was a very beautiful listen.

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor Good job on deciding to tackle this piece Marklings! This might not be the hardest Chopin waltz but I would not classify it as an easy piece. I think it demands a lot in terms of musicality and interpretation. I think you have very good ideas. I liked the way you are approaching the Piu mosso section, and how you are slowly gaining momentum and speed giving the repeating figure with the arpeggios. I think it serves the piece very well. I would encourage you to keep working on the piece. I would suggest to increase the contrast of the piu lento section compared to the rest of the piece (it is the only section that only occurs once) and perhaps also to add more variation to the other sections when they come for the second or third time, perhaps by experimenting with dynamics a bit more. Very good job and keep the hard work smile

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 Very impressive playing Rachtoven! This is such a beautiful invention, which turns out to be more complex for the fingers than one would think at first glance. The speed you are aiming for is very impressive and resembles the one usually used in professional recordings. I would not go faster than this. I think you are indicating very well the entrance of the main theme whenever it appears and also for some of its transformations. I could also listen very well to the game of voices, specially in the first half of the piece, which is in my opinion the main goal of the inventions laugh
I would only suggest to reduce the speed a bit and focuse for a while on the clarity of some of the scale passages. I think this might help you to improve even more the interplay of both voices and to shape better some phrases (measures 10-11 and 32-33 for example). Keep an eye also on not speeding up. This was overall very impressive. Are you planing to play some more of the inventions?

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home Beautiful playing and lovely piece kenbakermn! I very much enjoyed listening to your submission! Thank you very much for sharing.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15 After reading the text you added as part of your submission, I though this would sound not yet very polished. Well it sounded very good! I think you are doing a great job already and are showing some great ideas. The arpeggios are not standing out so much as you say. I actually think they should add some texture to the main melody, the way you are accentuating the bass and still slightly highlighting the beat seems right to me. My only suggestion would be to add some variation on the repeats, and perhaps show a very pianissimo sound on one of the iterations. I think that would add to the magic you are already transmitting. Lovely smile

I hope I did not miss anyone. Thank you all again smile
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/01/22 11:01 PM
Thank you, AndresVel, and all of you who commented on my rendition of Pat Metheny's "Letter From Home". It's such a short, simple piece I wouldn't have guessed it would make that much impact.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/01/22 11:17 PM
Thank you Kepijapa, tyschoco, AndresVel for your comments.

tyschoco and AndresVel, in response to your comments (which somewhat overlap): I do occasionally work at slower tempos, either to focus on interpretive aspects or to "lock in" an interpretation or to acquire more accuracy. But I don't practice playing in different styles because I want my practice to reinforce and support how I intend to perform the piece.

When recording this at first, I was playing it about 1:00, but that gave my brain enough time to think about how I would inevitably make a mistake and ruin the recording (which I then did), so I sped up a little so that my brain wouldn't have time to think self-defeating thoughts. This actually worked.

Getting better at this piece will probably just require more years of practice to better wire piano playing into my brain. It just takes time for the fingers to better follow what the brain wants them to do.

I intend to start playing more inventions because I need to work on pieces requiring more accuracy and hand synchronization.
MarieJ and Calavera for your comments. The last one is called Frenzy or Despair and the last piece in the whole ordre is called the soul's pain. (My rough translation)
Posted By: marklings Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/02/22 03:36 PM
@AndresVel
Thanks for your comments and useful suggestions. I am certainly not done with this ! Still working on it . . . .
Thank you Rachtoven, Ido, lilypad, Rickster, MarieJ, Kepijapa, Sam S, AndresVel, and Calavera for your nice comments.


Here's another batch of comments from me:

10. Peyton - Etude #2
It's only recently that I have taken up listening to minimalism, but the Glass etudes have not been on my radar yet. I liked it, and although the tonal language is entirely different from eg. Bach, I have a sense of the baroque feeling you mention. There is structural similarity with a lot of Bach preludes. Thank you for sharing that!

11. Rickster - "Heart of Georgia Boogie"
Very enjoyable, excellent drive, and great fun!

12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Uncategorizable, and as always very energetic and entertaining. Sometimes you shift from one mood into another so briskly that it takes me a little while to catch up.

13. peterws - Summertime Ended
That was nice. Easily the most jazzy version I ever heard of Summertime.

14. facdo - Elegie Op.3 No.1
Beautiful, and elegant! Simply a great performance.

15. Serge88 - Ballade pour Adeline
Oooh, a blast from the past. Loved it! smile

16. QuasiUnaFantasia - Fantasie in G major
Can't comment on my own work, so I asked OpenAI for it's opinion:

I think your performance was great! You played with a lot of emotion and feeling, and your timing and dynamics were very well executed. I thought your performance could benefit from more practice on the piece, practicing more will help you to become more comfortable with the piece, and make your performance sound smoother. After hearing your performance, I really enjoy Bruckner's piano music. His pieces are very emotive and full of feeling, and your playing brought out all of the emotion in the music.

Right, thank's openAI! grin

17. Ido - Waltz Op.70 No.3
Very pleasant rendition, especially with respect to the rhythmic movement. It was like being carried gently away.

18. lilypad - Nightfall
I liked this a lot. Quite melancholy, and played with a wonderful subtle touch.
Posted By: Ted Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/04/22 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
12. Ted Jones - The Fourth Ace
Uncategorizable, and as always very energetic and entertaining. Sometimes you shift from one mood into another so briskly that it takes me a little while to catch up.

Thanks for listening. Yes, I fly off on every prospective tangent, utterly incapable of rejecting an impulse. It's why I'm n.b.g. at composing, I keep wanting to change everything.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/04/22 07:55 AM
22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
Nice to see someone else submit game music, and there are certainly worse options than Monkey Island. Good job preserving the original theme's energy and lively tone in this piano performance. The transition around 0:25 is as effective as ever.

That being said, since you're open to critical comments, I'd like to point out a major flaw in your performance:
you play like a cow!

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
A very pleasant performance of what I assume is a difficult Bach piece.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
Wow, this takes me back to my teenage years. Beautiful playing and especially nice job with the more subtle dynamic changes. I find this song more interesting than the rest of Evanescence's repertoire. It's just a pleasant and endearing pop/rock ballad that reminds me of popular 90s music (which was a bit silly at times, but rarely grating or offensive), rather than the early noughties, the time when this song was released.

Despite being a notorious pedal offender myself, I feel like there's a little too much sustain in some parts. If I were playing this, I'd probably lift my foot a tad more often.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
Speaking of 90s music, I would often hear Céline Dion on the radio as a child, though I'm not sure I've heard this particular song before. I really like the passion and sensitivity you bring to the piece. A lovely birthday gift.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1
Very enjoyable and I didn't notice the unevenness.

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
This is an amazing Chopin piece and I enjoyed your romantic performance. I can tell you like this waltz.

28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
Nice playing with great momentum and energy.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
I'm not familiar with this song, but I think you've done a good job with the arrangement. It all sounds very clean and fluid.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
Nice performance and charming lilting sound.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)
Invigorating and awe-inspiring. This piece has a lot of character and you bring it out with gusto and panache.
Posted By: Calavera Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/05/22 07:16 AM
Last batch from me!

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)
Invigorating and awe-inspiring. This piece has a lot of character and you bring it out with gusto and panache.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
I can't comment on the technical aspects, but I think it sounds good and sensitive overall. Very impressive.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
Very interesting pieces and it does evoke some kind of sedate Scandinavian mood. Nice playing with a light touch.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
I think I prefer Tchaikovsky's livelier works, but your playing itself sounds good to me. The ghost notes don't stand out IMO.

35. winterflower - daffodils
Nice playing. It's a little complentative without overstaying its welcome. I have a soft spot for high notes when they're used well, and I think that was the case here. They help conjure up a delightful and idyllic atmosphere.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
That doesn't sound like a last-minute submission, but rather like a performance from someone at the top of his game. An enjoyable and steady peformance.
Posted By: Ido Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/05/22 07:50 PM
I'd like to thank Pianist685, lilypad, MarieJ, Peyton, QuentinP, peterws, Rachtoven, Rickster, kepijapa, Sam S, tyschoco, Calavera, AndresVel, and QuasiUnaFantasia for taking the time to listen and comment on my recording. Much appreciated!
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/06/22 08:21 PM
28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 Nice rendition, a bit crisper than I have been able to play it. One minor thing, did I hear a Bb in the right hand in measure 22 instead of Bnat?
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/06/22 10:59 PM
Thanks Calavera and KenBakerMN for your comments.

Originally Posted by KenBakerMN
28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 Nice rendition, a bit crisper than I have been able to play it. One minor thing, did I hear a Bb in the right hand in measure 22 instead of Bnat?

I did play Bb. I used Busoni's edition which has Bb (no natural sign) in the right hand while B natural is played in the left hand (but not at the same time, so there isn't a clash). I see that some other editions, including a modern one I have, has B natural in both hands. I also see a B natural in both hands in the available pages online from the Henle edition. So, I gather that Busoni was wrong.

Oh well. smile
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/07/22 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Rachtoven
Thanks Calavera and KenBakerMN for your comments.

Originally Posted by KenBakerMN
28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8 Nice rendition, a bit crisper than I have been able to play it. One minor thing, did I hear a Bb in the right hand in measure 22 instead of Bnat?

I did play Bb. I used Busoni's edition which has Bb (no natural sign) in the right hand while B natural is played in the left hand (but not at the same time, so there isn't a clash). I see that some other editions, including a modern one I have, has B natural in both hands. I also see a B natural in both hands in the available pages online from the Henle edition. So, I gather that Busoni was wrong.

Oh well. smile

If that's the worst thing that happens you're doing pretty well. The only reason I noticed is because I've been using that invention as a warmup for decades.

Interesting how different editions can disagree on some details. Makes me wonder if there are mistakes in the version I use. As it happens I know there is at least one note I play wrong, but I've played it that way about a thousands times. My fingers would mutiny if I tried to change it at this point.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/07/22 10:41 PM
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As it happens I know there is at least one note I play wrong, but I've played it that way about a thousands times. My fingers would mutiny if I tried to change it at this point.[/quote]

I'm going to try to learn the right note. We'll see how it goes...

Thanks for pointing it out. And very good ears.
Posted By: KenBakerMN Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/08/22 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Rachtoven
...

I'm going to try to learn the right note. We'll see how it goes...

Thanks for pointing it out. And very good ears.

In that case (and I know I'm being a pedantic dork, sorry about that) check out the last note in the right hand in measure 24. I may have heard an E instead of G? Maybe not.

And generally speaking my ears are not that sharp. It's just on that particular tune.

Either way, happy playing! And I look forward to hearing your entry in the next recital.
Posted By: Rachtoven Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/11/22 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by KenBakerMN
Originally Posted by Rachtoven
...

I'm going to try to learn the right note. We'll see how it goes...

Thanks for pointing it out. And very good ears.

In that case (and I know I'm being a pedantic dork, sorry about that) check out the last note in the right hand in measure 24. I may have heard an E instead of G? Maybe not.

And generally speaking my ears are not that sharp. It's just on that particular tune.

Either way, happy playing! And I look forward to hearing your entry in the next recital.

It’s an F but yes I was playing that wrong too. Thanks for pointing it out. Now I will try to fix it.

I have a bad habit of learning something without great care and not looking at the score again after I’ve memorized it. I need to fix that habit and occasionally look at the score again to check.
Posted By: QuentinP Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 06/15/22 03:32 AM
Thank you Flygbladet and AndresVel for your comments - much appreciated!
The Film Music recital is breathing down our necks, but I'm not done yet with the May quarterly comments. Here's my penultimate batch for #66:


19. thepianoplayer416 - Sonatina in G (Anh. 5): Moderato - Romanze
With all the heavy stuff in many of his sonata's, it's easy to forget Beethoven also wrote some quite delightfully easygoing music. This one is a joy, and it was very nice listening to your rendition.

20. Snejana - The Ones Out of Place
Really interesting, in all its sadness. There is a distinct cinematic quality to it.

21. sandalholme - Les Folies Francaises ou les Dominos from Ordre No13
Very good playing. It was completely like listening to a radio broadcast of baroque material from a church concert in some unknown (to me) town. I.e. very professional sounding.

22. Flygbladet - Monkey Island 1 theme music
Nice, and sprightly, and really rather fast.

23. Kepijapa - Partita No.6 In E Minor, BWV 830, 2-3. Allemande-Corrente
This sort of Bach is out of my reach, but clearly not out of yours. This was a very fine performance; it struck me as particularly pleasant.

24. Jerzyk19 - Immortal
I like this one too. Well played, emotionally stirring.

25. zsolpyW - Tell him
Beautiful, and delicately performed.

26. KevinM - Sonatina in D Opus 36 No 6 part 1
Splicing aside, this sounded like you have this very much under control. It was particularly the strong rhythm that really caught my attention here. Very well done!

27. Marklings - Waltz Op. 64 n.2 in C sharp minor
This was a good performance; what imperfections? It was simply pleasant to listen to. smile
Thank you QuasiUnaFantasia for your very generous comments.
So, the Film Music recital goes live tomorrow, and I believe Sam was giving encouragements to procrastinators. And hey, it already worked, because here I am with my final batch of comments for the May recital. (Yes, I know, cutting it a bit close here). smile


28. Rachtoven - Invention No. 8
There's really excellent clarity and evenness across your performance, and I would be quite happy to play that one equally well.

29. kenbakermn - Letter From Home
That was a warm and welcoming performance. Both music and composer entirely unknown to me, but very pleasing to listen to.

30. Swede - Von fremden Landern und Menschen op 15
No need worrying about getting the music out; both the melody, harmony, and most importantly the sentiment of this delicate piece came across perfectly unscathed. Very nice! I've tried this one a few times myself, and yet completing it is still a to-do for me.

31. PikaPianist - Rigaudon (From The Holberg Suite)
Terrific speed from the outset! Very engaging rendition.

32. Agrajag - Sonata "Pathetique" Op. 13 - I
That was massive. Kudos for seeing this through! It's not what I would have chosen after a year and a half of playing, but musically it was pleasing, so from a listeners perspective very well worth it.

33. candela - Nordic Themes Nos 8 and 11
This was interesting because the music does sound quite old, yet the composer seems to be a fairly young, living person! I like both performances, very emotional, yet poised.

34. Purrblast - October, The Seasons (Op. 37a, No. 10)
Lovely! Really nice playing. Your tempo reminded me of one of my favourite versions, by Olga Scheps (she's only about six seconds faster).

35. winterflower - daffodils
The moods change fast here; first it's dreamy, in a kind of desolate way, and then it's suddenly jazzy. Very nice.

36. Tyschoco - Bach Invention No.15 in B Minor, BMV 786
Nice, sprightly, and uplifiting performance! Very well worth sharing, and a nice end to the recital. smile
Posted By: Sam S Re: Recital #66 - General Discussion Room - 07/14/22 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
So, the Film Music recital goes live tomorrow, and I believe Sam was giving encouragements to procrastinators. And hey, it already worked, because here I am with my final batch of comments for the May recital. (Yes, I know, cutting it a bit close here). smile

Never too late! Plenty of old recitals to listen to - and new ones coming up. We're only a month from Quarterly #67...
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