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Originally Posted by RTJM
Hey there guys. smile Which etude do you think is good to start off with? I do understand that sometimes it depends on the player's current state of technique and etc. but still which do you think could be classified as the easier etudes? I do understand that all of them are considered very hard but which ones are easier to start off with? I have been looking at the Op.10 No.9 In F minor etude and was wondering if it was an good etude to start off with?


If you were thinking about playing op. 10 no.3 maybe you could try Ravel's pavane for a dead princess first. I was working on it yesterday and it has some surprising similarities. Try them both out and you will see what I mean. The pavane also requires splitting one hand into two different playing styles. (did that make sense?)

Give the Pavane and whirl and then try the op. 10 no.3. You will have an easier time with the balance and the voicing.

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Maybe Etude op. 10 no. 6, what do you think?

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Originally Posted by liszt85

Would you call that learning an etude in 3 months? I wouldn't. I would say I'll need around 1 year to get it exactly right. Also, being a professional in another field, I don't get to practice everyday either. I probably practice on an avg 4 days a week, 1-1.5 hours a day. So its slightly unfair for people who are able to practice 5 hours a day, 6 days a week to tell us that if we take 1 year on a piece, we should probably not be playing or attempting it.



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I didn't invent the name, it's a common name used for the piece by some people....

Maybe by some people, but it's not common. smile

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It's taken me almost 10 months to learn the Liszt sonata (just the notes!!), and it's because I've been busy with other repertoire, performances, and more importantly..being a full time student for 8 months of the year, no piano for a month, and now working full time. Though I've gotten Kapustin's Variations pretty quickly - mostly done after 3 weeks or so.


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Originally Posted by Kuanpiano
It's taken me almost 10 months to learn the Liszt sonata (just the notes!!), and it's because I've been busy with other repertoire, performances, and more importantly..being a full time student for 8 months of the year, no piano for a month, and now working full time. Though I've gotten Kapustin's Variations pretty quickly - mostly done after 3 weeks or so.


Yes but the Liszt sonata is a very long, hard piece. Doesn't it take like 30-40 min to perform??? I just couldn't imagine spending lets say 10 months to a year on a 2 min Chopin etude. I'd go nuts!

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My first Chopin Etude was op. 25 No. 2 smile. I definitely recommend it as an appropriate Etude to start off with.

You can also start with a slow Etude - op. 10 No. 6 or op. 25 no. 7 - but keep in mind that these pieces are challenging from a musical point of view - they require a great sensitivity and an excellent control of the sound quality (to mention only a couple of requirements smile.

The Etude you mentioned - op. 10 no. 9 - is much more difficult than these ones.

However, keep in mind that no matter what Etude you play, no matter how difficult it is from a technical point of view, the hardest part remains achieving a flowing expression and a beautiful, poetic sound - after all, this is what Chopin is all about!


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Originally Posted by ponysonata

The pavane also requires splitting one hand into two different playing styles. (did that make sense?)
The Pavanne has legato and staccato simultaneously in the RH but not the Etude as far as I can see.

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I started with Op. 25, No. 2, then did Op. 10, No.3, followed by Op. 25, No.1 and Op. 10, No. 12. Now working on Op. 10, No.5 and Op. 25, No.12.


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The pavane also requires splitting one hand into two different playing styles. (did that make sense?)
The Pavanne has legato and staccato simultaneously in the RH but not the Etude as far as I can see.


It is not written into the etude but you do play in the same fashion- maybe more of a light touch than staccato though in the right hand.

When I was learning how to divide my hand, I played staccato and legato in my RH and staccato LH. Then when I was ready to add pedal, I just played with a light touch rather than staccato.

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Quite impossible to advise, since we know nothing of your abilities.



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Originally Posted by ponysonata
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Originally Posted by ponysonata

The pavane also requires splitting one hand into two different playing styles. (did that make sense?)
The Pavanne has legato and staccato simultaneously in the RH but not the Etude as far as I can see.


It is not written into the etude but you do play in the same fashion- maybe more of a light touch than staccato though in the right hand.

When I was learning how to divide my hand, I played staccato and legato in my RH and staccato LH. Then when I was ready to add pedal, I just played with a light touch rather than staccato.
I don't think there's anything to indicate the lower voice in the right hand should be played staccato. Much softer(if that's what you mean by lighter)than the melody, but not detatched. I don't think it makes particularly much sense to practice it that way either.'

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Originally Posted by RTJM
Hey there guys. smile Which etude do you think is good to start off with? I do understand that sometimes it depends on the player's current state of technique and etc. but still which do you think could be classified as the easier etudes? I do understand that all of them are considered very hard but which ones are easier to start off with? I have been looking at the Op.10 No.9 In F minor etude and was wondering if it was an good etude to start off with?

Have you considered starting with one of the etudes from Trois nouvelles études? They are quite a bit easier than the Op. 10 or Op. 25 etudes. My first etude was No. 2 in A-flat Major from Trois nouvelles études , and it is quite manageable once you get the cross-rhythms down. Op. 25 No. 7 is also a good etude to start with, although it does have several tricky left hand runs.


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I didn't invent the name, it's a common name used for the piece by some people....

Maybe by some people, but it's not common. smile


I meant common as in slang. Like common talk. I use words in equivocal ways grin


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Originally Posted by ponysonata

The pavane also requires splitting one hand into two different playing styles. (did that make sense?)
The Pavanne has legato and staccato simultaneously in the RH but not the Etude as far as I can see.


It is not written into the etude but you do play in the same fashion- maybe more of a light touch than staccato though in the right hand.

When I was learning how to divide my hand, I played staccato and legato in my RH and staccato LH. Then when I was ready to add pedal, I just played with a light touch rather than staccato.
I don't think there's anything to indicate the lower voice in the right hand should be played staccato. Much softer(if that's what you mean by lighter)than the melody, but not detached. I don't think it makes particularly much sense to practice it that way either.'

Thanks for wording that better smile. It should not be played detached but before I did try playing detached without pedal I had such a difficult time bringing out the melody and softening the other voices. If you actually try to play it you will understand what I mean.

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I didn't invent the name, it's a common name used for the piece by some people....

Maybe by some people, but it's not common. smile
I meant common as in slang. Like common talk. I use words in equivocal ways grin

Ok -- that works. smile

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Originally Posted by TheCannibalHaddock
Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by TheCannibalHaddock
I didn't invent the name, it's a common name used for the piece by some people....

Maybe by some people, but it's not common. smile


I meant common as in slang. Like common talk. I use words in equivocal ways grin


Do you use the nicknames for etudes more than you use the word "equivocal"? smile

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